It's war time...

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

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I'm a compasionate and caring person.. that's not typically a Conservative ideal.. Normally, as has been my experience, Conservatives

Being compassionate is good. I'm a compassionate person. But my problem with liberals are that they are too compassionate. Someone punches a cop in the balls and the cops take him down with force after a chase and the liberals say " those evil horrible cops". THe conservative says that guy deserved it maybe he'll learn not to do that next time.

Like I have said many times liberalism would be great in a perfect world. Unfortunately they don't pay enough attention to the evil in man.

one more example:

9/11 hits and what do the liberals say?

What have we done? It must be our fault. We are much more evil and violent than the psychos in the middle east.

Maybe if you lived in CA. Savant you'd realize the flaws I see everyday with liberals, then again maybe not.

Your mind is made up.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints Quote:

I'm a compasionate and caring person.. that's not typically a Conservative ideal.. Normally, as has been my experience, Conservatives

 

Being compassionate is good. I'm a compassionate person. But my problem with liberals are that they are too compassionate. Someone punches a cop in the balls and the cops take him down with force after a chase and the liberals say " those evil horrible cops". THe conservative says that guy deserved it maybe he'll learn not to do that next time.

Like I have said many times liberalism would be great in a perfect world. Unfortunately they don't pay enough attention to the evil in man.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your thinking.. Sure. this guy kicks a cop in the balls.. that sucks.. so the cop slams him to the ground and 4 or 5 cops hand cuff him.. gee.. he got a cut over his eye and a fat lip during the slamming.. I have NO problem with that.. what I DO have a problem with, is that now that this guy is cuffed.. can't do ANYTHING to protect himself, 4 cops take out STICKS and BEAT him cause they are mad.. guess what? THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.. Do I believe cops should 'always' use kid gloves? NO.. do I believe they have an inate right to 'vengence' when something bad happens to them? NO!.. they are doing a job, and have to accept the risks.. if that means a knock in the nards, so be it.. then act 'reasonably' to restrain someone that is resisting, but to BEAT someone in CUFFS while face down on the ground is WELL BEYOND reasonable.. that's lynch mob mentality, which is illegal, and hence should NOT be conducted by POLICE..

Since I'm pretty sure you have no clue.. here's what I'm getting at.. Here is a quote from my mother about when Her, my brother, and I wen't to Disney World when I was about 6 (1975)... We were barely getting by, but it was important to my mother to try her best to give my brother and I the best she could, despite being destitute..

"We lived at Ft. Eustis VA. when you, Rick, and I made this trip - I don't know if you remember - but at that time the ticket price didn't include everything - and you and Rick wanted to go on a ride. - Space Mountian - We sat down on the ground & literally emptied my purse, back pack, & your (Rick's actually, he always had squirelled money) pockets - and found almost enough [for the tickets]. A man had been near by watching ou struggle and walked by and asked what we needed - it wasn't really much, maybe $0.75 - he gave it to us - and you got to ride the last run of the night before the park [closed]"

That to me is compassion.. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people in that kind of boat and seen people turn their nose up and make a huff and comment about 'trash' or some other bullshit justification for their well being.. Personally, I would rather give a family a few dollars to help form a memory that lasts for decades than to turn up my nose in some ignorant attempt at self importalization... So, being compasionate isn't about letting cops abuse someone once they are safely restrained (as you would have one believe), it's about altruism and having a sincere desire to help your fellow man feel better and to have a better life, even if it means you might have to do without some tidbit of triviality..

Too compasionate is different than being too non-confrontational... And, as I have stated MANY times (perhaps you should take your own advice and try reading), I don't like Liberals any more than I like Conservatives, the difference is that at least Liberals error on the side of being nice to others..

one more example:

9/11 hits and what do the liberals say?

What have we done? It must be our fault. We are much more evil and violent than the psychos in the middle east.

I have NO idea what you are trying to get at here.. What happened on Sept. 11th was horrid.. Just because someone can UNDERSTAND why others hate the US so bad doesn't mean there is ANY compassion for those people, nor does it mean there is a tollerance for those behaviors.. Being able to 'relate' and 'empathize' is one of the things that makes us better than most other animals.. that doesn't also mean we have to agree or like what we empathize with.. to not understand the difference is a perfect example of how MOST humans are barely better than chimps..

Maybe if you lived in CA. Savant you'd realize the flaws I see everyday with liberals, then again maybe not.

Actually, I was in Caly for 2 wks.. I got kicked out... what does that mean? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Something you don't seem to be able to absorb.. I DON'T LIKE LIBERALS anymore than I like CONSERVATIVES.. You accuse me of not reading, yet your insistence on my being a Liberal proves you have NOT read my posts (not exclusively, it could also mean you can't comprehend what you read, much like LWW)..

Your mind is made up.

Depends on what you mean.. My mind is made up on the evidence provided so far that we are wrong to be in Iraq.. Yet, despite all the alleged 'proof' to show why we should be there, I've not seen more than a 'alleged' or 'might' or 'looks like' statement to support being there..

Otherwise, my mind is open to valid information that could show/persuade/enlighten me to a path different than the road I'm currently standing on.. Problem is, no one on this board can offer anything reasonable to disuade me from my current journey.. As someone famous once said.. "show me, don't snow me".. problem is, most people don't know the difference.. I, however, do.. I'm a tad bit brighter than the average bear, and a bit more sceptical.. if you want me to believe what you have to say, show me a few snipits of reasonable substantiation.. don't just expect me to accept you at face value.. seen too many con-artists for that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints WHat are you talking about Savant? What I heard on the radio had nothing to do with checking out those barrels. They said that our guys were no longer wearing chem suits, my point is why does this have to be mentioned. Must you always be so contrary. THis doesn't need to be known by the public or the leadership in Iraq.

My point is, I've heard things on the same vein.. which, to me, means there is no serious threat of chem weapons.. Our toops have been out of their suits for MOST of this incursion.. the Iraqi government knows it.. if they wanted to use chem weaps to hurt the troops, it would CERTIANLY have been done by now.. since it's not been, I see 2 things being reasonable (but not the only possibilities).. 1) Saddam is dead and can't give the order to use Chem Weaps.. 2) Iraq doesn't have enough (or serious enough) Chem Weaps to launch a chem attack.. Just my thoughts on the matter.. For the news to mention we are not in suits does NOT constitute any kind of threat or danger, if you ask me.. you would be pretty ignorant to think ANYONE would walk around a DESERT in RUBBER SUITS.. *shrug*..

Like I said, I was in the military.. I was chem disaster certified.. I'd not be wearing my suit in Iraq either.. just an FYI...

 

[1zenlunatic 10+ year member]

Characterizing "liberals" or "conservatives"

as ...this way or ....that way is careless and flawed. I live in the bay area and i think protesting to "stop the war" at this time is rather pointless and counterproductive.. find something else to whine about geez! Yet I also think

calling unAmerican those that question the ways, means and ends of the Bush administration's direction in foreign policy is also pointless and counterproductive.

I think that both camps who are vocal about these two opposing points are more similar than different in that they are both reactionary and dominated by emotional incentives as opposed to rational ones.

I know plenty of good Republicans and Plenty of good Democrats who arent just...this way or ....that way and arent reactionary "emotifiers".

Both Republican and Democrat administrations alike have made their contributions, both benificial, artificial, and backwards to this country. Neither can claim to have cast no stones.

Belief lends itself to a larger spectum of diversity than black and white.

Liberal and Conservative are words painted to generalize the spectrum of political belief in this country. Black and White both must aknowledge the multiplicities of grey.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

I don't even know why I bothered looking on this board again, but as soon as I do I notice your complete lack of credibility yet again.

Quite Orwellian again. I’ve been close to 100% right and you have been close to 100% WRONG.

The ONLY thing you were correct about, and could substantiate was the Clinton purgering himself (as pointed out many times, I never brought up anything about his being a felon, just that I was under the impression he never actually lied while in office.. you showed he did but wasn't prosecuted),

More puke. What was shown was that Billy Jeff had received a pardon from President Carter for being a draft dodger IE AWOL IE with Federal warrants.

I also showed that Bubba plead guilty his last day in office to AVOID prosecution and accepted fines and disbarment in lieu of jail time. Anyone who actually believes Clinton never lied is a fool.

You have claimed 2 UNPROVEN things.. then offer support to SHOW you are falsly believing things..
Yet, you claim our government confirmed they found chem weapon chems (sarin and tabun) and you posted a link after saying this

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FWIW NPR is reporting that a total of 20 missiles loaded with sarin or mustard gas

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Only NEITHER link mentioned anything about 'loaded into' anything other than being in drums.. and NEITHER link 'confirmed' they were actually chem weapon chems..

Upfront tests have shown this. IRAQI citizens took them to it. And for the record NPR is National Public Radio, a very liberal source, and you can’t link to a broadcast item.

Tabun was found there and in a N Iraq terrorist camp. This is all over the media and undeniable.

UN inspectors themselves state that artillery shells made for dispensing chem weapons were found before the war. Generals are not usually put in charge of bugspray plants. Chem weapons sensors went off on day 1 over Kuwait when an Iraqi missile was destroyed. Perhaps it was actually fired by Terminex?

Only, it seems to me that the bulk of your refusing to even TRY to comprehend any of what I was saying was based on your being offended that I attacked people on this board (which I'm still a bit confused about since when you jumped in on page 2 I had only stated a few opinions and hadn't attacked anyone in a serious or overly agressive manner)..

Well much of your stuff is incomprehensible. The rest I comprehend fully. Your hatred of the President would have you saying that the D Day invasions to remove Hitler were unjust. As to the bully stuff I started a thread of YOUR quotes. Shall I renew it if you have forgotten? You claim to be taken out of context but...can give no example.

And I felt a need to expose the lies and venom you were dispensing AS IF it were true. Your position is not anti war it is clearly anti Bush and from all prior statements of yours anti US as well

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

In general, I'm a compasionate and caring person.. that's not typically a Conservative ideal.. Normally, as has been my experience, Conservatives are almost solely concerned with money and profit, and tend to feel their ideals should be followed by everyone (seems Conservatives know better than an individual what might be good for them).. Liberals, despite their many flaws as well, at least tend to have an ideology of helping others..

Pull the needle from your arm dude. France, a very liberal nation, was PROFITING HUGE from Iraq which is why they didn’t want anything to change. EEEVILLL American conservatives sacrificed blood, life, limb, and wealth to free a nation. If you can’t see that you are again a fool. I think you know this, again, but refuse to open your eyes.

This is another typical liberal debate tactic. Flip blame to the other side and walk away. Like the oil analogy. Saddam invaded Iran to steal their oil. Saddam invaded Kuwait to steal their oil. Saddam took over the nation of Iraq to steal their oil. Saddam was preparing to invade Saudi Arabia to steal their oil. The Bushes as Preidents of the US defeated Saddam and returned the oil to it’s rightful owner. The Bushes are from Texas though so they want to steal the oil.

R-E-A-L-I-T-Y. REALITY. Good for you. Good for me. REALITY.

Granted, it is really looking like they might have found some chem stuff (the potential sarin/tabun find).. I wouldn't be supprised if it is.. but, I'm willing to hold off judgment until I have all the 'facts', something you claim to do but obviously don't..

You just refuse to get it. The only way to prove 100% is to lay hands on it. There are 3 ways to do this:

1-Wait until it is used against us or an ally (again).

2-Go in and lay hands on it.

3-Saddam allows people to lay hands on it peacefully. This was tried for 12 yrs and failed miserably.

Now we had proof that was 99.999% a sure thing that Saddam had these weapons on the day of the invasion. We had 100% proof that he had them in the past. We had 100% proof that he had used them in the past.

Faced with thes FACTS and the FACT that option 3 failed miserably we are left with 1 and 2. Dubya chose #2 and I support it. You chose #1. SHAME ON YOU!

WHat are you talking about Savant? What I heard on the radio had nothing to do with checking out those barrels. They said that our guys were no longer wearing chem suits, my point is why does this have to be mentioned. Must you always be so contrary. THis doesn't need to be known by the public or the leadership in Iraq.

Joshpoints Savant was using PAP to make a point which couldn’t be supported by REALITY. Take a piece of truth from 1 story and a piece of truth from another story and you have...propaganda.

You think you've proven some major point. LWW and I make our points to show problems with the liberals. THey said nothing when Clinton took part in plenty of illegal activities yet the liberals mentioned nothing of it. We should stay out of what he does even if it hurts the country? Liberals don't say what's wrong is wrong and what's right is right. WHat republicans do is wrong what liberals and democrats do is right. Maybe you should go read back through all the pages you missed because there are a lot of facts that have been posted. Maybe you'll learn something, or maybe not. I said why I now feel we had to go into Iraq. Sniping Sadam wouldn't not have worked, I stated a few pages back why.

Again Joshpoints has it nailed. To some people sadly political ideology trumps truth and what is good for the the nation and world.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your thinking.. Sure. this guy kicks a cop in the balls.. that sucks.. so the cop slams him to the ground and 4 or 5 cops hand cuff him.. gee.. he got a cut over his eye and a fat lip during the slamming.. I have NO problem with that.. what I DO have a problem with, is that now that this guy is cuffed.. can't do ANYTHING to protect himself, 4 cops take out STICKS and BEAT him cause they are mad.. guess what? THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT..

And on this I agree completely. The problem is you present this as a COMMON occurence when in fact it is so incredibly rare. More pap. Sad.

Now in contrast when it does happen the pro law enforcement EEEVILLL conservatives support those cops going to jail. The “compassionate” liberals are never there to make excuses for the cop being a victim due to his street experiences or upbringing. WHY? Again 1 side views each instance based on what happened in REALITY. The other side for the most part has their mind made up. Cop = bad. Crook = victim of cop. Then they try to couch their obvious bias in some “sure the crook should go to jail but...” crap...kind of like what you did.

A man had been near by watching ou struggle and walked by and asked what we needed - it wasn't really much, maybe $0.75 - he gave it to us - and you got to ride the last run of the night before the park [closed]"
That to me is compassion.. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people in that kind of boat and seen people turn their nose up and make a huff and comment about 'trash' or some other bullshit justification for their well being.. Personally, I would rather give a family a few dollars to help form a memory that lasts for decades than to turn up my nose in some ignorant attempt at self importalization... So, being compasionate isn't about letting cops abuse someone once they are safely restrained (as you would have one believe), it's about altruism and having a sincere desire to help your fellow man feel better and to have a better life, even if it means you might have to do without some tidbit of triviality..

And from that you figured their personal political beliefs? AMAZING! Or did you assume? Or do you even have a clue?

There are generous and cruel people on both sides at any rung on the economic ladder.

I have NO idea what you are trying to get at here.. What happened on Sept. 11th was horrid.. Just because someone can UNDERSTAND why others hate the US so bad doesn't mean there is ANY compassion for those people

The big lie...again. As evidenced by anyone watching the news this AM (sorry I can’t link you to my TV set) people overseas don’t hate the US. Govts overseas hate the US. They fear that what happened to Saddam, what happened to the Taliban, what happened to Noriega, what happened to Mussolini, what happened to Hitler, and what happened to King George III in 1776 will happen to them. Even the citizens of countries with govt ran media flock to the US when possible. Even though these corrupt govts use us a scapegoat, so that some of the heat is removed from them, their citizens run at every chance.

”Thank you, thank you, Mr Bush...thank you, thank you, Mr Bush...”-Iraqi crowds-

”The Iraqi people NEVER asked for liberation.. we aren't there to free them, we are there for purely POLITICAL and economic reasons, not in a libertarian capacity.. if you believe that you are pretty damm dense..”-Savant-

Oh sorry about bringing up reality again. My bad.

As someone famous once said.. "show me, don't snow me".. problem is, most people don't know the difference..

You count on that don’t you.

I'm a tad bit brighter than the average bear

LMFAOROTF! Sorry to hear that dude but at least now that you face it you can do something about it like open your mind and educate yourself. To the best of my knowledge everyone else posting here is human and WAYYYYYY smarter than even the smartest bear.

I know plenty of good Republicans and Plenty of good Democrats who arent just...this way or ....that way and arent reactionary "emotifiers".
Both Republican and Democrat administrations alike have made their contributions, both benificial, artificial, and backwards to this country. Neither can claim to have cast no stones.

Belief lends itself to a larger spectum of diversity than black and white.

Liberal and Conservative are words painted to generalize the spectrum of political belief in this country. Black and White both must aknowledge the multiplicities of grey.

Well said.

PEACE

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

**** LWW, plenty of points on that last one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

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So, being compasionate isn't about letting cops abuse someone once they are safely restrained (as you would have one believe), it's about altruism and having a sincere desire to help your fellow man feel better and to have a better life, even if it means you might have to do without some tidbit of triviality..

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First off you are lying in your first statement above. I never said that. You said I said that. Second there is a difference between physically taking down a criminal and taking down someone that has not broken the law. I'm speaking of a criminal. So the criminal gets a fat lip, big deal he shouldn't have attacked the police. He put himself in that situation not the police officer. Common sense, he could have totally avoided the situation.

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Too compasionate is different than being too non-confrontational... And, as I have stated MANY times (perhaps you should take your own advice and try reading), I don't like Liberals any more than I like Conservatives, the difference is that at least Liberals error on the side of being nice to others..

Response:

Actually I have read your responses. You agree with liberals more, therefore you are more liberal than conservative. There is a difference between being nice to people and being nice to criminals; criminals will take advantage of it. Why do you think criminals sue when they hurt themselves during an illegal activity like robbing someone's house, because they know there will be a liberal lawyer there to back them up.

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I have NO idea what you are trying to get at here.. What happened on Sept. 11th was horrid.. Just because someone can UNDERSTAND why others hate the US so bad doesn't mean there is ANY compassion for those people, nor does it mean there is a tollerance for those behaviors.. Being able to 'relate' and 'empathize' is one of the things that makes us better than most other animals.. that doesn't also mean we have to agree or like what we empathize with.. to not understand the difference is a perfect example of how MOST humans are barely better than chimps..

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Okay Mr. smarter than the average bear; my point was that the liberals love blaming america for things. We must have done something terrible. Yeah what we did wrong is created a successful nation that gives equal rights to all and freedom which pisses them off.

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For the news to mention we are not in suits does NOT constitute any kind of threat or danger, if you ask me.. you would be pretty ignorant to think ANYONE would walk around a DESERT in RUBBER SUITS.. *shrug*..

Response:

Actually this was part of the problem with attacking any later than we did. If we started our attack in April our men would not be able to wear the suits because of the heat.

And our men were wearing the suits and carrying the masks around. Too much military infromation is delivered too soon. It appears you disagree. The answer seems obvious to me, but I don't think it will ever appear obvious to you. Releasing information before the war is over is not helping our military at all. The media needs to stop with the strategists on television and keep their mouth shut until the war is over, then they can do all the analysis they want.

Why don't you leave the forum Savant, you have nothing wise to say, except twist the statements that people make.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

**** LWW, plenty of points on that last one

Thanks Denim. I'm not a genius but am a MENSA member. In any event spanking him in an intellectual debate would be analogous to Michael Jordan playing Steven Hawking 1 on 1 in basketball. After all Savant admits to only being a little smarter than an average bear like Boo Boo Bear, which would lead one to the logical conclusion that a SMART bear like Yogi Bear or Smokey Bear would be smarter than he, so the playing field isn't quite level. I wonder if Savant is the screen name used by Ranger Smith?

Why don't you leave the forum Savant, you have nothing wise to say, except twist the statements that people make.

Joshpoints we usually agree pretty much but here I must differ. There are people who for the first time are becoming aware of current events and world history, and while folks like you and I can make a valiant effort to win the hearts and minds of the undecided, we can bever convince anyone of the folly which springs from the rabid left ideology as well as my man Savant. After all he is "the learned one".

PEACE

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Thanks Denim. I'm not a genius but am a MENSA member. In any event spanking him in an intellectual debate would be analogous to Michael Jordan playing Steven Hawking 1 on 1 in basketball. After all Savant admits to only being a little smarter than an average bear like Boo Boo Bear, which would lead one to the logical conclusion that a SMART bear like Yogi Bear or Smokey Bear would be smarter than he, so the playing field isn't quite level. I wonder if Savant is the screen name used by Ranger Smith?

 

 

 

Joshpoints we usually agree pretty much but here I must differ. There are people who for the first time are becoming aware of current events and world history, and while folks like you and I can make a valiant effort to win the hearts and minds of the undecided, we can bever convince anyone of the folly which springs from the rabid left ideology as well as my man Savant. After all he is "the learned one".

 

PEACE

I guess your right. I just get tired of Savant twisting my words and statements to imply things that I never meant. He also continues to try to make it sound as if no one else on this thread knows anything and then when we show him the absurdity of something he states that the statement is pointless or doesn't matter. I give factual stories and acts as if I'm making them up. I don't know how he can read through all the events that I have stated and still feel liberals are better than conservatives for the country.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

My memory is a little shotty on this thread, but wasn't it I who said that the people of Baghdad would greet the US troops warmly when they arrived? And I believe it was Savant that shot down my statement. Well, did you watch the news today, by any chance? Why were those Iraqi's chanting "Thank you Mr. Bush, Thank you!!!!"????

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

I just get tired of Savant twisting my words and statements to imply things that I never meant. He also continues to try to make it sound as if no one else on this thread knows anything and then when we show him the absurdity of something he states that the statement is pointless or doesn't matter.

Joshpoints what you have to realize is that Savant has his mind made up on everything and anything that busts his pompous little pimple of a head open to sunlight he wil argue against. Right and wrong have no meaning...it is all about ideology. Billy Jeff gave the left 8 years of "it's OK to live your life like a scumbag (no offense intended towards bags filled with scum), it's OK to lie, it's OK to cheat, it's OK to commit perjury, it's OK to accept bribes, it's OK to do whatever you want, ah'll be thar focused like one of them laser beams, in fact ah feel yore pain (clenched jaw, pointing with the knuckle of the index finger, and seeming to fight back a tear) and if you don't believe me yet well it's for the chidurn" and "don't worry ah balanced the budget fur ya (even though he opposed it, said it was impossible, and never actually did it) and if all else fails "them thar Repullikins want ta pollute the water, dirty the air, and take away gramma's social security while mah plan will balance the budget (LMFAO) lower taxes (yeah right) give yuns all free health care (can you hear the violins?) and all ya have to do is go watch TV and let me handlitt".

Well following that AlBore was the standard bearer and although he tried the same schtick he was nowhere near Svengali politico that Bubba was. His side lost. Dubya won. Whetger you think that's good or bad know that the extreme left will do ANYTHING to undermine the President in order to regain power.

If that means telling a lie fine. If that means sinking the economy fine. If that means weakening law enforcement so crime rises fine. If that means putting American lives at risk in the field fine. To the extreme left the ENDS always justifies the MEANS.

As to conservatives being better for the country in general I agree but on some issues I am very liberal. On items of human rights, and national security though I am a proud member of the "vast right wing conspiracy". On items of national budgets and taxation I am also. Anyone who believes that the American taxpayer does not contribute enough to live within our means as a nation and supply BETTER services than we now receive is IMHO a fool.

On items of personal freedom I am on the left quite a bit. If someone smokes a joint at home or snorts a line AND stays off the roads, pays their taxes, supports their family, I could care less. FEW however can do this. OTOH those running around with automatic weapons and selling poison can go burn in hell for all I care.

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

My memory is a little shotty on this thread, but wasn't it I who said that the people of Baghdad would greet the US troops warmly when they arrived? And I believe it was Savant that shot down my statement. Well, did you watch the news today, by any chance? Why were those Iraqi's chanting "Thank you Mr. Bush, Thank you!!!!"????

Please don't confuse Savant with REALITY. It riles his belly and addles his brain.

PEACE

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 My memory is a little shotty on this thread, but wasn't it I who said that the people of Baghdad would greet the US troops warmly when they arrived? And I believe it was Savant that shot down my statement. Well, did you watch the news today, by any chance? Why were those Iraqi's chanting "Thank you Mr. Bush, Thank you!!!!"????

Because the modern day hitler (bush) was forcing them to, otherwise they would all be slautered. The U.S. is so violent and evil.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

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On items of personal freedom I am on the left quite a bit. If someone smokes a joint at home or snorts a line AND stays off the roads, pays their taxes, supports their family, I could care less. FEW however can do this. OTOH those running around with automatic weapons and selling poison can go burn in hell for all I care.

If you are speaking of legalizing drugs, I would have to disagree with you. Drugs take over peoples lives. In the example you gave I'm assuming that no one is getting hurt. NO family abuse or illegal activity besides the use of drugs. My problem with it is a child should not be raised in that environment because I fear the child will follow in the parents foot steps and will take part in the drugs, but may take part in the bad activity that tends to come with drugs. So I'm against legalizing drugs. I can see where you are coming from though. I just feel that the majority of the stats show that we should keep drugs banned.