It's war time...
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oh yeah CNN just said that Iraq fired a few Skuds
Yea verily I say unto thee...pull thine own head from out thine own sphincter so that ye might learn the truth from the feces.
Why don't you guys at least make a NEW lie?
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Just another example of how you like to hear yourself talk I guess.. Nothing there really needs to be said or is being justfied, just drivel.. oh, wait.. I'm not allowed to say you talk just to hear yourself speak.. I'm just stupid and don't know what I'm talking about..
You are SO right... I have NO idea what I'm talking about, yet in NONE of those cases did we declare war on our own with NO reason other than we wanted to help someone.. right..
Once again.. YOU prove MY point that you can't read or comprehend.. The US gets involed on occasion, based on being asked for help and being offered something in return.. This would be the FIRST time we decided to go, on our own, and START a war in the name of liberating anyone.. If you don't think that's true, then name ONE war that we STARTED for nothing other than HELPING someone (and to make it even more of a kick in my teeth, how about one that wasn't motivated by what we would get in return)..
A) Sepperation of Church and State, the government has NO business mentioning god in any formal way.. It should not be on our money, in our documents, or spoken by a public official while talking about matters of state.. god has NOTHING to do with anything when it comes to this country.. Mostly because there is no proof of god, not to mention unproven matters of faith should not be part of policy..
B) Reagan was a putz too..
WTF? Huh? Who said anything about believing 'these dungbags'? Saddam is a horrid person who lies, cheats, steals, and does attrocious things to his people.. does our government care? NO.. if they did, we wouldn't have let him do this crap for another 12 years after we were in there the first time.. But, you claim it's people like ME that condone this crap? NO.. it's people like you that condone it by 'following' morally bankrupt political leaders then can't even figure out that you are part of the problem.. You are too friggn dense to even follow a simple line of logic and have to twist everything you can to fit your agenda, just like Bush did for this conflict.. Now you want to say it's MY fault for Iraq suffereing for 12 more years when YOUR President Bush senior walked out on those people cause it wasn't our business..we accomplished our goal of pushing Saddam back into Iraq and out of Kuait?
Wake the fuk up man.. You keep spewing crap about things you know nothing about (one perfect example being that you seem to think I support our government's policy of staying out of the helping people business)..
Anyway, you show yet again in this post that you can't truely refute my points (for the most part) so you drone on with inane blabbering like your first 3 sentences.. talking just to talk and offer nothing usefull to anyone.. then manage to prove yet again that you can't either read or comprehend by offering invalid examples of war situations..
I have to go.. breakfast time..
Well Savant you insist upon showing your ignorance on issues and facts again.
Your first quote was in reply to you totally misrepresenting to someone else what my thinking was. You assume you know all and the more I read the less it seems you do know.
Second you could list the Civil War, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I and II among others.
Next one of the most misrepresented items by liberals is that there is a legal seperation of church and state when there isn't. Read it and become learned. There will be no establishment of a state religion. Nothing precludes the President or anyone else from believing in a Higher Power or invoking their name. It amazes me how many people claim that by not being able to force their puke down someone elses throat that they being violated. Oh please stop it or bring out the violins one. It brings tears to my eyes.
Of course the liberal mindset has always been that they understand better than the founding father what the constitution meant. Forget the fact that Thomas Jefferson would beotch slap most judges if he saw where his ideals had been taken.
When you have a clue let us know.
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Your first quote was in reply to you totally misrepresenting to someone else what my thinking was. You assume you know all and the more I read the less it seems you do know.
Second you could list the Civil War, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I and II among others.
Next one of the most misrepresented items by liberals is that there is a legal seperation of church and state when there isn't. Read it and become learned. There will be no establishment of a state religion. Nothing precludes the President or anyone else from believing in a Higher Power or invoking their name. It amazes me how many people claim that by not being able to force their puke down someone elses throat that they being violated. Oh please stop it or bring out the violins one. It brings tears to my eyes.
Of course the liberal mindset has always been that they understand better than the founding father what the constitution meant. Forget the fact that Thomas Jefferson would beotch slap most judges if he saw where his ideals had been taken.
When you have a clue let us know.
PEACE
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But for what results, innocent lives?
no, because of the threat of chemical warfare. we aren't going to sit here and just wait for them to drop chemicals on us. are you in favor of saddam? we have had problems with him before and Bush's father made the mistake of letting him go. Now his son is in charge and is finishing up what his father left off. How is it innocent lives anyways? They are holding weapons and attempting to fight back. We aren't going through peoples houses and shooting them. Iraq says that a few have been wounded....but who knows...maybe they fell down the stairs. IMO it looks fake anyways....the look on their faces in the hospital with their leg taped up...they had a big smirk on their faces. If your gonna get people to fake it....pick someone that can do it good. So grim reaper....if your supporting saddam hussein and are favoring them dropping chemical bombs on us...then go ahead and continue your statement. but if you are just sitting there saying we are pointlessly killing people....learn the facts cuz you don't have a clue what your talking about.
PS: 97Dakota.....stop making stupid comments that have nothing to do with anything to get your post count up. why would u post saying george carlin is a riot??? nobody cares. also if you notice i kind of added this in the bottom of another post....yes....you can post more then 1 thing in a post. Look how many things Savant said in 1 post. Mods will take care of people like you. STAY ON TOPIC!
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Whoa. I support nobody.
I am anti-war, so what the heck are you talking about.
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I'm just gonna let it go man, it's no point arguing.
To each is own.
Peace, not war.
Hey, if they are as ignorant as you, then I guess I have to agree with you.. I said IT WAS MY THOUGHT that you meant something else.. Not that dakota's response was 'wrong' and mine was right or that anyone should presume you meant/thought what I was proposing.. Once again you display your unmistakeable lack of reading comprehension, or you are relying on that failing in people you are trying to have on your side.. which ever, you really should take some reading courses..
Civil war was internal to the US.. sorry.. And it was sparked by liberals to free slaves that the conservatives had.. Hmm.. yeah, that's a good feather in the cap of conservatives fighing for civil rights of foreginers.. course, by the time all is said and done, the conservatives will have made tons of money off the sweat and blood of forgeiners who do the labor while the white guys sit around making money..
I'll do some reading up on Grenada and Panama..
As for the Gulf War, we did NOT declare war on Iraq 'first' and for no other apparent reason than to free the people from their leader, we were begged by Kuait to help them and offered a lot of oil as payment, if I recall correctly.. So the first Gulf war was NOT a US INITIATED humanitarian war. We, once again, jumped in an existing war (unless you don't count Kuait fighting off Saddam who was killing millions an existing war..)
I'll start reading up on the law/constitution then.. All I can go by is what I was taught/told/learned in public schools, college, and from the news and such .. There is a tiny (though I seriously doubt it) chance that you may be correct and the seperation as I understand it is something else.. I'll get back to you on that..
Although, while I agree the President (and any public servant for that matter) has the right to believe in what ever god they wish, they do NOT have a right to bring that belief into the public arena, as soon as they do that, they are endorsing their religion (which could be construde as attempting to establish their beliefs as a 'state' sanctioned set of beliefs).. So, after I find the exact wording, I'll revisit this point..
You are such a dillhole man.. Are you honestly going to tell me that there has NEVER been ONE Conservative that has brought the meaning of a point of the constitution to question? That's something that happens almost anytime someone feels their rights are being trampled and EVERYONE looks into it..
Man, talk about someone that is looking to dump all blame of the worlds problems on one source, you keep pointing all ills to 'liberals'.. How sad that you think that the general idea of openmindedness and compassion is the cause of all the worlds ills..
hey bumpin o3, I apologize for straying from the topic. I didn't know that that many people were interested in this thread. I thought that there were three or four. in a meger attempt to poke fun at the UN by giving a mass murderer 17 chances to disarm and leave. as for george. I just say a quote in someones signature thought it was funny. no intend to run my post count up. the only time I am on here I am on this thread or others like it. no need to have a high post count.
as an outsider looking in I would tend to think that lww is proving points and that savant is throughing back childish arguments.
no I wan't saying that what you said was wrong, I am just saying that I thought what you thought was something different.
just my thoughts
no I wan't saying that what you said was wrong, I am just saying that I thought what you thought was something different.
just my thoughts
a couple of quick things...
1) if i remember correctly from high school, ( been 13 years since graduation), to win a debate, you needed to back your arguements with PROVEABLE statements..not just OPINIONS. Savant, upon your OWN admission, most of what you are stating is indeed your OPINION and most UN-PROVEABLE, while LWW has offered links, and such to prove or at least go along with his statements. yes, some are vague and don't go 100% to proving what he is saying..but at least he has some back-up...you? what i am getting at is simply this..this whole arguement is both needless and redundant..didn't you too argue earlier or something similar? fact is, we are at war, we are going to liberate those people and GOD willing, kill that sumbitych saddam..if we start a world war..well, shame on us, seeing how it will be the first global conflict we ever started and not just finish..remember this, and i believe it was LWW who stated this, that we have never fought a global war of CONQUEST...only for LIBERATION...do we get paid? well, we get promise of payment..as well we should..for in most conflicts, it is our men and women who are there in majority, it is our technology there in majority and by GOD we should get paid!!
2) seperation of church and state? that is such bologna and bs!! church is more business then state..it ain't even funny....u want real seperation?? make churchs pay taxes!! make ministers, preachers, fathers or whatever pay taxes!! if reagan wants to say God bless America...well, it is in his 1st amendment rights to do so...and that is just to start. oh yeah..that also leads to saying our goverment is hypocritical..which it is..and yada, yada, yada
3) to the grimreaper and whoever thinks WE (americans) are the evil empire....there is the door...don't let it hit you on the way out. if we are so evil, why is it our women can show their faces? you can speak your mind WITHOUT fear of death? and the list goes on....do some americans have a "holier than thou" attitude? yep..just as saddam does. so what is more evil? droppin chem weapons on your own people, or going into that country and stopping it? and yes, it is 13 years later then it should have been..but that is politics..hmmm, go figure that one?
4)war is ugly, no doubt...but sometimes necessary. is it necessary here? IMO..you bet! why? for the last twelve years, saddam has had his chance...and squandered it. now it's time to pay the piper....savant says that saddam WAS disarming...where is the proof? because saddam daid so? we say he wasn't...where is the proof? how many times did he kick UN inspectors out? restrict their inspections to specific buildings at specific times? from what i gathered, all the time,and yeah, i'm not going to look it up..too lazy. didn't your mom every teach you, that if your not guilty, you have nothing to hide? seems like his,(saddam), actions are more then proof enough...not to mention the fact taht he is using some of those weapons that were supposed to be destroyed now. i saw the footage of the al -whatever missile, and it ws stamped directly on it's side....hmm, so much for dis-arming.....and would it really take 12 years to totally disarm conventional arm? nah..don't think so....i can rid my self of 1000rds in about 2 hrs
5)did i say this was going to be a "couple of quick things"? wow,did i ever lie!! lmao..but anyway..the end result of this arguement is the same.....regardless of opinion, war or no....we have family, friends and such over there..and we need to back them..NO MATTER WHAT!! they are fighting, some are dying for us!! and for that, we owe them our gratitude and our freedoms!!
6)as too religion...there is God, allah..budda..and that's just off the top of my head. so which one is right? who know's? we won't until we die..this arguement is needless and doesn't belong here
7)and that is all...i am done..at least for now...hehehe
1) if i remember correctly from high school, ( been 13 years since graduation), to win a debate, you needed to back your arguements with PROVEABLE statements..not just OPINIONS. Savant, upon your OWN admission, most of what you are stating is indeed your OPINION and most UN-PROVEABLE, while LWW has offered links, and such to prove or at least go along with his statements. yes, some are vague and don't go 100% to proving what he is saying..but at least he has some back-up...you? what i am getting at is simply this..this whole arguement is both needless and redundant..didn't you too argue earlier or something similar? fact is, we are at war, we are going to liberate those people and GOD willing, kill that sumbitych saddam..if we start a world war..well, shame on us, seeing how it will be the first global conflict we ever started and not just finish..remember this, and i believe it was LWW who stated this, that we have never fought a global war of CONQUEST...only for LIBERATION...do we get paid? well, we get promise of payment..as well we should..for in most conflicts, it is our men and women who are there in majority, it is our technology there in majority and by GOD we should get paid!!
2) seperation of church and state? that is such bologna and bs!! church is more business then state..it ain't even funny....u want real seperation?? make churchs pay taxes!! make ministers, preachers, fathers or whatever pay taxes!! if reagan wants to say God bless America...well, it is in his 1st amendment rights to do so...and that is just to start. oh yeah..that also leads to saying our goverment is hypocritical..which it is..and yada, yada, yada
3) to the grimreaper and whoever thinks WE (americans) are the evil empire....there is the door...don't let it hit you on the way out. if we are so evil, why is it our women can show their faces? you can speak your mind WITHOUT fear of death? and the list goes on....do some americans have a "holier than thou" attitude? yep..just as saddam does. so what is more evil? droppin chem weapons on your own people, or going into that country and stopping it? and yes, it is 13 years later then it should have been..but that is politics..hmmm, go figure that one?
4)war is ugly, no doubt...but sometimes necessary. is it necessary here? IMO..you bet! why? for the last twelve years, saddam has had his chance...and squandered it. now it's time to pay the piper....savant says that saddam WAS disarming...where is the proof? because saddam daid so? we say he wasn't...where is the proof? how many times did he kick UN inspectors out? restrict their inspections to specific buildings at specific times? from what i gathered, all the time,and yeah, i'm not going to look it up..too lazy. didn't your mom every teach you, that if your not guilty, you have nothing to hide? seems like his,(saddam), actions are more then proof enough...not to mention the fact taht he is using some of those weapons that were supposed to be destroyed now. i saw the footage of the al -whatever missile, and it ws stamped directly on it's side....hmm, so much for dis-arming.....and would it really take 12 years to totally disarm conventional arm? nah..don't think so....i can rid my self of 1000rds in about 2 hrs
5)did i say this was going to be a "couple of quick things"? wow,did i ever lie!! lmao..but anyway..the end result of this arguement is the same.....regardless of opinion, war or no....we have family, friends and such over there..and we need to back them..NO MATTER WHAT!! they are fighting, some are dying for us!! and for that, we owe them our gratitude and our freedoms!!
6)as too religion...there is God, allah..budda..and that's just off the top of my head. so which one is right? who know's? we won't until we die..this arguement is needless and doesn't belong here
7)and that is all...i am done..at least for now...hehehe
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