Don't knock them until you try them. Compete against them in a SPL comp and see if your setup can hang. I haven't tried one yet and I don't expect it to be the best, but I'm not looking for the best. I've seen Visonik and Audiobahn destroy JL in some Spl comps. This was on long bass notes, no burps. Tell me how do those so called Trash Brands hold up when pushed to the limits? I'm not saying they are better, just not as bad as people say. I will do at least 3 Spl comps locally to see what the Audiopipe can do. I don't really want Audiopipe stuff but my car was just stolen and got my whole system. I'm going with a cheaper setup. Crooks are relentless around here and I don't have the balls to run a RF T40001bd just to get it stolen.I didnt think so.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif