ummmmmmmm.....dude, im not copy and pasting anything! you were the guy who suddenly brought Nano's into the debate. i neither was talking or even care about nano's i was debating with another member between the hard drive models of Iriver and Ipod. i wasnt even concerend or was even talking about jogging with a nano, wtf?? sure i kjnow its a flash player and can be used 24hours a day with running or jogging. but thats not the case with th eipod or iriver hard drive models.
OK. Now read your own post after reading this paragraph:
acyually the ipod 30, 60GB or H340 funny enough isnt great for joggers since they are hard drives inside and you arent suppossed to be constantly moving with one in your hand or on your arm. to be honest, they are almost BETTER suited for a car
Isn't that a bit contradictary there? You were indeed talking about jogging and tried to make a case that hardrive players are not designed to handle the "rigors" of jogging. That's ********. My point was that the concept that a small hardrive based mp3 player can't handle a few g's of shock (like when someone's jogging with it on their person) is entirely pushed by the flash player market trying to make their players look attractive - thus the mention of the ipod nano, which is the most popular flash based mp3 player around, and the pioneer for ignorant statements like 'you can jog with this but not with the normal ipod' which are totally untrue. Do you understand now?
And you deny copy/pasting crap you've read elsewhere without understanding things, but then you make posts like this:
as i NEVER had a problem with the hard drive while jogging or in the car, this is just what i have read on ipod and iriver forums. they said that they are more easily damaged than a flash player if using it while doing activities, which makes sense since the hard drive is always spinning and SURELY shouldnt be dropped
LOL, SURE hard drive players are safer to use in cars than jogging daily. last time i checked, youre not gonna drop a hard drive on the pavement sitting in your front seat:laugh: also, the constant movement of exercise daily or say 4 times a week, is WAY more abusive than someone turning up the bass for a brief time in a car. you actually listen to your stereo cranked daily so your player is popping up and down in the cup holder or wherever you place it???? think not!
Harddrive players don't keep their drives spinning constantly. Even CD players don't keep their CD's spinning constanty these days; they buffer to memory and spin the disc down. I'd bet good money if you took an ipod and dropped it from shoulder height 3 times, even while playing a track, the harddrive would be totally undamaged. Why? Because unless the player is actively reading a track, it spins the drive down and parks the heads. At that point it's good for over 350g's of shock without any damage; you'd have to chuck it at something with some force to damage it, and it probably wouldn't be the drive that was the source of failure for the player even then. You might get unlucky and catch the player reading the next track right as you drop it, but even then, you may be fairly surprised at the amount of force it takes the skip the drive head off of the disk, especially in these mini drives which are designed around mobile (and thus abusive) environments. Yes, i do listen to my stereo daily, loud enough to make **** in my car vibrate and buzz and 'hop around' slightly...quarters slide off my roof at normal listening volume. I expect most people on this forum listen to their stereos at volumes that produce fairly extensive vibrations on a daily basis. I'd also be more worried about standing up from the car with the drive-based player on my lap and having it fall on pavement outside the car than i would be worried about dropping it or having it fall out of my pocket while jogging. In any case, neither excessive bass vibrations nor jogging is going to destroy a micro-drive powered mp3 player; sorry to burst your bubble.
and before you start calling people ignorant, how about yourself? you have no idea what players i have or had used in the past. i surely am as much, actually more, qualified to base my opinions on these players than you since i actually owned an ipod 60gb video, and i currently have an iriver H140 and an H340.
how about getting yourself in check?
I'm afraid you misread my message. I didn't call you ignorant, i warned you that you sounded ignorant. There is a big difference. Also, you may want to consider your statement carefully - how do you know what players i do or do not have experience with, and how are you 'sure' you're 'more qualified' to based your opinions on the players? That's quite an arrogant assumption, wouldn't you say? And you're telling me to get myself in check? Perhaps you should re-read your own posts in this thread and ask yourself who is out of line with random inflammatory statements.
Anyway, you missed the point of my original post and are fixating on 'joggers' and players. If you'll recall my original post, my reasons for finding these little players are not designed around a car stereo were not that of vibrations or damage to the players, but instead:
1. lack of a remote; when was the last time you bought a deck without a remote? Why should an mp3 player for your car be different?
2. Lack of quality sound output; why spend hundreds (thousands in my case) of dollars on high quality speakers, amplifiers and a headunit, then pass it a low quality signal from a stereo miniplug on a portable player?
3. Lack of support for open formats such as ogg and flac. You should have jumped on this one, since your H340 does support ogg, but apparently you were too busy trying to attack my post for other random ass reasons (joggers?! why the hell did you pick to argue about joggers?) to realise that your player actually does outdo the ipod in this regard. Still, no flac support makes it less than an ideal purchase for me. Lack of upgradeable storage also makes it a poor choice for a car player; 40gb, 60gb is fine for a portable player full of low quality mp3s that you dock with your PC all the time and can transfer onto/off of regularly...in a car there are certain benefits to having
all of your music, all of the time, without having to upload/download from the player often. Think 200gb+, and even then it's not really enough if you've got a decent collection of music.
