IMHO GOD > Evolution

[Tiger Bass 5,000+ posts]

I just think it's so funny how defensive most christians get when arguing against evolution or special creation. You having to argue for you religion seriously makes me doubt your faith in it.

 

[synikalt 10+ year member]

This is all we talk about in my philosphy class lol. The professor really open some doors and tested our religion.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I just think it's so funny how defensive most christians get when arguing against evolution or special creation. You having to argue for you religion seriously makes me doubt your faith in it.

blind faith man

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I believe that ones beliefs or faith isn't something that should be dicussed. It raise too many questions and issues. nobody will get anywhere forcing their beliefs opon another. I have my own thoughts about "God" and how we got here,,,but I am not gonna argue with somebody about it.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I think that is total BS. What if you are the only one that really has it figured out --- you are just going to keep the rest of us in the dark?

You are one sorry motherfVcker to do that to us. Selfish bastage.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world.

 

[staypuff 10+ year member]

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world.

And priests took that literally...

 

[2kchevy06civic 5,000+ posts]

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world.

****it, now I have that song stuck in my head you prick. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You are still not quite on the right track.
You are thinking of things "happening" -- define that word. It means something that wasn't going on is now going on, it is in the process of "happening" -- meaning that an event in space is occurring through time. How can you say that something happened when there was no time and no space?

Even by giving the "creator" a sense of "always" you once again violate the lack of time domain. Even the name "creator" or "eternal being" implies the time domain... as in "creating" something or "always existing" -- as in eternal.

The simple answer here is that you, I, and everyone else cannot EVER understand or even think about such things. Any way that we can discuss or ponder the situation is wrong, as we think of things in 4 dimensional time and space, period. This is just how our brain is made, because we exist and experience 4 dimensional time space and nothing else.

see what you are saying make sense but i think you can go another level beyond that, and say that if there was nothing, (not even god) beyond space and time, before the formation of the universe, then there would be no formation of the universe...

it's impossible to think of time and space coming from nothing because it's impossible period.

but if some force did somehow(which we cannot grasp) live outside the bounds of space and time, then the formation of the universe becomes VERY possible and even likely..

not to mention, a being without the bounds of time and space would be (by definition) ommipresent, and omnipotent he would litterally have no bounds by our standards because every boundary in our universe is a basic result of our existence in time and space.

this also explains the concept of the holy trinity (which i believe)...

god the father is the part of god, eternal, also the one who created the universe

god the son is the human version of himself that god sent into the bounds of space and time as one of us (fully god, but fully man)

the holy spirit is gods unexplainable presence as an eternal being in a world based on time and space... the holy spirit is everywhere and every time at one time (by our views) its not like the son, because the son was bound by time and space, the spirit is not...

again these are just inevitable results of a god existing outside time and space

think of it kinda like a video tape, we are watching the TV with one event progressing after the other (in time)

but this "GOD" would be taking the tape out and looking at the entire film strip

 

[goodstuff 10+ year member]

Well I stopped reading on page two. I think there is life after death. I don't know what it is and I won't know untill I die. So cot you think there is no point to life if you don't go to heaven when you die? If you knew what life is worth, you would look for yours on earth.

I also think about the possibility that we are just something small inside of something much larger but the things that are larger are so large we have no concept of them....and vice versa, there are worlds inside of us so small we can't see them... For exaple compare an ant's perspective to a humans...do you think ants know humans exist?

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

You having to argue for you religion seriously makes me doubt your faith in it.

does this make sence to everyone else?

i dunno but i think hes saying because i'm argueing for my faith, it means i don't realy believe it

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

does this make sence to everyone else?
i dunno but i think hes saying because i'm argueing for my faith, it means i don't realy believe it

Pushing your faith is oppressive, arguing your faith is just showing your truth to your belief in your faith. For somebody that has faith...if your faith isn't worth fighting for then what really is?

I myself don't find it worthwhile to fight for something made up that I just happen to blindly believe in...but hey I guess I just don't have faith //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

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Yes I've gotta have faith...

Mmm, I gotta have faith

'Cause I gotta have faith, faith, faith,

Mm 'cause I gotta have faith-a-faith-a-faith

Now there's a crap song to get stuck in your head //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Well I stopped reading on page two. I think there is life after death. I don't know what it is and I won't know untill I die. So cot you think there is no point to life if you don't go to heaven when you die? If you knew what life is worth, you would look for yours on earth.
I also think about the possibility that we are just something small inside of something much larger but the things that are larger are so large we have no concept of them....and vice versa, there are worlds inside of us so small we can't see them... For exaple compare an ant's perspective to a humans...do you think ants know humans exist?

? have you been watching men in black? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

and no don't put words in my mouth i said that if i cease to exist after i die, then i would'nt have come into being in the first place because my life was completely meaningless...

you're thinking of it the wrong way...

i'm not saying that your experiences on earth are meaningless now, i'm saying that if you cease to exist when you die so does all your memory and purpose of your life, so it would be as if you never existed, that being said how do you know you do exist, maby you are just someone's dream...

can you remember what you were like before you were born? because thats what it will be like after you die... non-existence... and that means that from every individual's perspective, when they die, the universe, (well actually everything) ceases to exist. doesn't seem possible... i couldn't imagin before i was born so i can't imagine going back to that state

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Agnosticism is the only coherent belief structure. Maybe there's a god, maybe we are all floating on a cosmic piece of dog shit, maybe its all just cold science. All I know is that humans don't know jack beyond what we can observe, and since its impossible for us to observe something that grandiose from enough intellectual distance, it's pointless to make random guesses and claim that you're right.
Then again, if everyone thought like me there would be very little violence in the world, and that's no fun.

No doubt. Why people can't grasp the concept is beyond me, but they are free to think as they please.

I just think it's so funny how defensive most christians get when arguing against evolution or special creation. You having to argue for you religion seriously makes me doubt your faith in it.

What is even funnier is how defensive atheists are of science when both theism and atheism rely on the same premise. Maybe this is just something I've noticed, but atheists have been way, way more pushy about their beliefs....and flat out rude, in many cases.

For example, it is not uncommon for a theist to have a conversation about their beliefs and an atheist will run in to the conversation just to shout out "there is no god."

Like I mentioned before, it is my distinct belief that if I had to choose between theism and atheism, I would chose theism over and over again. Atheism has a very bleak outlook on life and theism is good for shaping very general morality guidelines amongst humans. Additionally, from a logical standpoint, atheism makes no sense; it is a belief that there is no god because there is no evidence of one, but to disprove a claim, you must prove that it is not possible and well....achieving this is impossible. The atheist counterpoint is fundamentally flawed, in my opinion.

But above all, I remain agnostic because it is always relevant, it encourages further probing into the nature of life, and it makes sense to me. The only thing I'm sure of in life is that I'm not sure about anything and never will be.

 

[cotjones 10+ year member]

Pushing your faith is oppressive, arguing your faith is just showing your truth to your belief in your faith. For somebody that has faith...if your faith isn't worth fighting for then what really is?
I myself don't find it worthwhile to fight for something made up that I just happen to blindly believe in...but hey I guess I just don't have faith //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

first of all pushing your faith is a wierd concept the one thing you can never do is make someone believe something they don't want to, but if someone believes that they know something beneficial that others don't it's only natural to go crazy trying to tell them

if you know a bridge ahead is out do you just park and watch people drive off a cliff? if you were the least bit sane, no you would do everything in your power to get people to turn around!!!