Imaging/integration, vs keeping a stealthy install w/ new highs

The comps are 6.5s. No other mod needed other than the 5x7 to 6.5 baffle. Yes I have the tweets temporarily velcroed. I'm going to make some glass pods for em eventually. I did that intentionally so that I could move them around until I got them just right to my ears. And...subs? We don't need no stinkin subs!! No just kidding, the OP wanted to see a stealth install so yea...try and find my subs haha.

I used to have 2 10" Type-Rs. The whole system was Alpine. Type-R comps and 5x7 coaxs in the back. Then I learned about Car Audio lol. Got a set of the CDTs, but my 4 ch Alpine was only putting out 75x4, so I stepped up to the Audison 2ch and ditched the rears. Then I decided my sub box took up too much trunk and blocked my rear shock towers so I couldn't use my new rear shock tower brace. SO, sold the subs and sub amp. Keeping the 4ch for a budget install in my dad's F150. I was planning on getting a 1.1k and a Fi Q, but once I got back to school, bills and food took priority over sound. Maybe over winter break...

 
Hey guys. Good advice on these forums, so far. Looking for another bit of input.
I just added a 4" coax pair, the Infinity Reference 4012i, to my roommate's Crutchfield order because they only cost me $23.99 after 20% off. I paid no tax or shipping, either. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Now, what to do with them, exactly...

FYI, I already have some 6"X8" Polk EX coax speakers in the bottom of my doors by the kick panels (This is a 2000 Mustang GT, and that is just the stock front location), and I will end up running the Polks @ something like 80Hz - 200Hz (I will try a Low-pass between 150Hz and 250Hz and see what works well), and then they will hand off to these Infinity Reference 4"ers.
How do you plan to bandpass the Polk coax's? Just setting a HP filter will still let them play everything above 150hz or whatever you set it at.

Also what are you trying to gain by doing this set up? I'm a little confused as I can't believe the Polk mids have any midbass to speak of and they already play the mids/highs, so how will the 4" ers help?

Personally I'd shell out $100 for a decent set of comps and be done with it, but I am interested to see how it works out for you.

 
How do you plan to bandpass the Polk coax's? Just setting a HP filter will still let them play everything above 150hz or whatever you set it at.
Also what are you trying to gain by doing this set up? I'm a little confused as I can't believe the Polk mids have any midbass to speak of and they already play the mids/highs, so how will the 4" ers help?

Personally I'd shell out $100 for a decent set of comps and be done with it, but I am interested to see how it works out for you.
I saw it asked before, so the HU I am using is a Clarion DXZ475MP. I have it running with "Internal Amp Cancel" enabled. My roommate just ordered one for $72, after 20% off. That is the order I added the Infinity Reference 4"ers to.

As far as how the crossover setup will work, I am running an Audio Control 2XS w 80Hz crossover and 20Hz subsonic modules, ATM. That will not change. The >80Hz output for L&R will each get y-split to the two CA200 Profile's. They will each do either a lowpass for the Polks or a highpass for the Infinity's somewhere between 150Hz and 250Hz. Their internal x-overs max out at 250Hz. I did not get a 400SX for either the mid-bass or highs, even though it is more power for only $6 more, simply because their internal x-overs max out at 140Hz. With the 12dB/oct slopes they all use, that might not have been high enough.

So, it will be the Clarion "Front RCAs" -> AudioControl 2XS, and from there:

  • A.C. 80Hz lowpass to Profile 400SX for the sub, w/no crossover enabled on the amp
  • A.C. 80Hz highpass to one Profile CA200 with lowpass between 150 and 250Hz enabled for mid-bass duty (on the amp itself)
  • a second AC 80Hz high pass to the other Profile CA200 with this amp's highpass set to the same frequency as the other CA200's lowpass.



EDIT: Oh, and as to why/my thinking. The stock position in the Mustang puts the front door speaker well into the door panel. It is also basically vertical, with a nod toward the idea of pointing at the listener, but no actual effect as far as that goes. This means the driver's side speaker is blasting at the drivers feet and the lower dash, but not really at the drivers ears. Just to make things more interesting, the passenger side door speaker is almost pointed right at the driver. Sound above a certain point, and well before 20KHz, is directional enough that this different effect for each side kills (as in kills-it-dead) imaging.

See what LaserRed38 did with the tweets in his component set? I am doing the same thing, in effect, except my "component set" is a 6x8 woofer for "down low" (at least 250Hz, maybe as low as 150Hz, is as high as they will get), with a 4" for the big human voice range above that, and passively handing off the tippy-top to a small tweeter (likely somewhere around 5KHz, but not sure on that). As long as I can get things to integrate, I should be able to image like crazy. Which would be a major improvement from where things stand, ATM.

As far as the Polks not having any real midbass output, I don't think so. Something like Cake's "Short skirt, long jacket" has a drum that does not go low, but is really prominent. I believe it is the Polks handling a lot of that. That song works really well in my car, even before the damping material (12sqft to start) has arrived, with the grille cloth, from Darvex.com - though that might be today. I would like to get a Real Time Analyzer on this system when I have it closer to where I ulitmately would like it to be. Then maybe an eq is in my future. Hopefully not, but I would like to KNOW one way or the other, thus a pass with an RTA is difinately in my future.

A reminder on an important part of this, from my perspective. This whole switch from Polk 6x8s as highs to Polk mid-bass and Infinity Reference highs, is going forward because I got the speakers for $24. If they ****/this doesn't work, I wouldn't really care. I am out some time, but that it it really, right? Well, once you take into account that I will have the kick panels wired with 65watts/ch, and the doors wired with another 65watts/ch available, (and could go straight to something more appropriate/proven to work well), it is a no harm = no foul situation. And that is only if it bombs because I just can't get it to work for some reason. I wouldn't have spent even the $24 if I thought that would happen, really. If it does go wrong, I will just grab some ~$200 components after a bonus rolls in, or after I pay off the car (6-months from now, maybe a bit more) - you know, something more proven to work well. Then I could bridge a CA200 amp into each front channel, to run @ a Profile rated 190watts/ch up there. lol

I don't see what I lose by giving it a shot. :shrug:

 
Got my damping material a couple days ago, and I have done the door panels and doors. I like the difference. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

...more to do, of course.

The scheduled delivery date for the 4" Infinity Reference coaxials is the 3rd. Not going to try any fiberglass for them until they are here and it can be perfectly custom fitted. Well, probably. I might get impatient if I have some extra time.

EDIT:

...I'm a little confused as I can't believe the Polk mids have any midbass to speak of ...
Well, with the damping of the doors done, my Polks keep the "bass image" (for lack of a better term) up front all the time. In other words, all bass seems to come from in front of me, but that's only if I can tell where it's coming from at all. I have yet to damp behind my driver's position at all yet (including putting any in the trunk), so I do hear rattles from behind me at times, but that is not the same thing. I am throughly impressed. From the mid-bass and down, anyway.

It still images like crap, in general, due to the poor nature of the door location from the factory. However, I get my imaging "reference" from the Dynaudio bookshelf speakers I have in both of my home audio systems. I have a setup for Home Theater and a separate one for music. They both set my standards pretty high. We will see if I can fix the imaging in my car (or improve it just enough to satisfy) some time after the Infinity Reference coaxials arrive - in less than a week from this edit. I will not put them in without appropriate fiberglass additions to the kicks for them, however. Plus, the kicks and the fiberglass additions must all be covered in my "tan" grille cloth before they can be installed. Otherwise the install will be pretty obvious.

All of that will not get done quickly. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 
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