Im going with eDead, which one

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

hahaha. I was just wondering if anyone on here has used the "new" edead. Alot of ppl on ls1tech.com are using it with good results. I wasn't even planning on deadening but figured for $50 i would

Here's an alternative. A bit more, but priced in Canuck:

http://www.b-quiet.com/extreme.html

EDIT: Someone beat me to it.

 

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

im thinking about saying screw it and just keep putting money into the engine and ******

That's a good idea //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

It is like this

You can hunt buffalo with a bb gun,

or you can blast them with a bazooka

Either way will work, but why not just use a single poison dart that will knock him out, then once he is sleeping, slit his throat with a Rambo knife?

Second skin, poisoning the competition and slitting their throats with a Rambo knife while they sleep...

I like it!

ANT

 

[grimreper912003 5,000+ posts]

It is like this
You can hunt buffalo with a bb gun,

or you can blast them with a bazooka

Either way will work, but why not just use a single poison dart that will knock him out, then once he is sleeping, slit his throat with a Rambo knife?

Second skin, poisoning the competition and slitting their throats with a Rambo knife while they sleep...

I like it!

ANT

Lol your post always make me laugh

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

It is like this
You can hunt buffalo with a bb gun,

or you can blast them with a bazooka

Either way will work, but why not just use a single poison dart that will knock him out, then once he is sleeping, slit his throat with a Rambo knife?

Second skin, poisoning the competition and slitting their throats with a Rambo knife while they sleep...

I like it!

ANT

I say you copyright that immediately. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[BlkCamSS01 10+ year member]

i get paid on friday so im going to buy them. Prob second skin or raamat depending on what else i buy

 

[skateboardkid 10+ year member]

Or you could look into some sort of high heat wrap for your header and exhaust - it might keep it quieter if you go right to the source and then do a layer on the floor right above the exhaust and and front firewall. Good luck and it looks like you are heading in the right direction with the product manufacturer as well.

 

[BlkCamSS01 10+ year member]

Or you could look into some sort of high heat wrap for your header and exhaust - it might keep it quieter if you go right to the source and then do a layer on the floor right above the exhaust and and front firewall. Good luck and it looks like you are heading in the right direction with the product manufacturer as well.

I have stainless longtube headers on so i dont want to heat wrap them, they look too nice under the hood.

 

[cobra65427289 10+ year member]

Ive had eDead V1 on my old car for over 4 years now. Applied it after washing the area completely with mineral spirits and just pushed it on with my hands and heat gun. Its still there and has lasted through 90+ degree summers and winters down to -10.

Their subwoofers are another story. I definitely got screwed there along with a lot of other people who made the mistake of ordering their flat-cones.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

and there is no tar smell at all barely even when your applying it

I agreed with you right up until you said 'barely'. There will be no tar or asphalt smell present, at all, because there is no asphalt in Raamat.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

because there is no asphalt in Raamat.

Actually, IIRC Rick even said there was. The latest incarnations might not contain it, but I believe his formula did contain some.

I've used many of the butyl mats and use butyl tape/rope all the time and NONE of it is at all like RAAMmat.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Doesn't matter how thick it is... what matters is the MASS... when using a MASS LOADING DEADENER...

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[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Doesn't matter how thick it is... what matters is the MASS... when using a MASS LOADING DEADENER...
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[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

Doesn't matter how thick it is... what matters is the MASS... when using a MASS LOADING DEADENER...
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Mass is part of the vibration damping equation but not all of it.

It is a good measurement for value per given incriment but not for performance.

Example:

100 sq feet of product 1 = 35 lbs

100 sq feet of Product 2 = 65 lbs

Which one gives you more product per sq foot?

The confusion started when some of the earlier internet brands would sell roofing products as vibration dampers and played on the ignorance of the unsuspecting, and trusting customer. Customers trusted that these companies knew what they were doing, and knew what they were talking about.

It was only several years later when reports of the asphaltic/bituminous roofing tapes started failing that some of the previous customers started questioning the legitimacy of the products they used and the marketing hype they used to sell these products. IF they lied to us about the quality and effectivness of the product, what else did they lie about?

By the time many people figured out that some of the internet companies were ripping people off and using inflated specs, and false marketing tactics, most of the damage had been done. The false information had already spread around the forums by way of many happy customers that saved a good deal of money on their sound deadening. These happy yet unsuspecting customers would intern promote the same false information that they were taught when they reaserched the product the first time around.

It is only once the product failed several seasons later or several days later in some cases, that they customer would go from happy, to upset and would then report their findings.

There is a learning curve for everyone that uses the wrong tool for the job, and it seems to be about 3 years with these types of materials.

Some of us have known the ins and outs of product quality and performance for quite some time, while others that are just getting in to it now, have more than enough wrong information available on the forums to fill their heads.

3 years from now, these members might start to see what many of us old timers have and will start to form opinions based on their experience while some of the lucky ones will continue to encourage people to take the same risk that they did, yet claim no responsibility when the risk does not pan out the same way the product fails.

I remember years ago, I would try to warn people on this very forum about the dangers of using asphalt mats, and I was met with fierce opposition. I was accused of bad mouthing my competitors to try and push my new butyl based product. I was accused of selling hype and fear over value and performance so that I might line my pockets with greedy money. What they failed to realize is that I once sold asphlat mats and I, more than anyone of these critics, new what I was talking about. Not only did I experience it with my own install, but in replacing clsoe to $20k worth of product for previous customers that had the same problem I had. Melting, toxic, smelly, gooey asphalt mats, oozing in our cars. It was becuase of my affiliation with the industry that my credibility was drawn in to question, instead of my affiliation adding to my credibility.

Finally I gave up, and it wasn't until Don from the http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com did his tests that peoples minds started to change.

I can only hope that as more time goes on, more correct info is promoted and other companies start acting like responsible members of our industry and stop selling on hype and high hopes.

This is why so many people still promote mass loading, and asphalt mats, expanding foam, ensolite, and egg crate foam even though it has all been proven time and time again to be less or non-effective (compared to real products that are desinged for cars), as well as being dangerous to use.

Someone got cheap, got lucky and all too often, got arrogant about their luck.

There will always be those lucky few that continue to promote and endorse the use of a sub par product out of pure arrogance. Rather than tought the product, whathe should be touting is his luck. Not a terrible difference in mindset between him and the guy that smoked 2 packs a day for 30 years and never got cancer.

Is it right for him to tell people with lung cancer that they got sick because they smoked their cigarettes wrong?

Too many people in the industry care not about our luck or the quality of the products they sell, and only about the bottom line.

For years they have promoted ignorance over science. Not just about asphalt either. Many have no clue what the difference between structure borne and airborne noise is.

These companies claimed that the product worked by adding mass and nothing more.

They really didn’t know the true mechanics and science behind the pseudo constraint layer dampers (roofing products) they were selling so they regurgitated whatever they heard on the internet from other companies that were spouting off the same confusing jargon.

Mass loading has nothing to do with vibration damping. Mass loading is a technique used to block the passage of airborne sound waves. Mass is king when reducing this type of noise but plays a very limited roll in constraint layer damping.

Applicable to an extent when reducing vibrations but not efficient or as effective as treating the vibrations with the right tool for the job. Constraint layer damping actually converts the vibrations on a panel in to heat.

Mass helps lower the resonant frequency but it is merely a side benefit and not in any way the main function of a true viscoelastic constrain layer damper.

So, companies rambled off at the mouth, and promoted their ignorance as scientific fact, which did nothing for the industry or the consumer.

In fact, there is still one company out there that we all know that still, to this day has absolutely no idea how their products work, and continue to claim that mass loading = vibration damping.

This same company has been mentioned at least 10 times in this thread.

ANT

 

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

I dont want to spend alot on sound dampener. I spend 90% of my money on making the car faster. Im just building a basic budget build so i may go raamat but im def not going to spend more than $130 on it.

Just don't use anything and put that into making it faster. You want someone to say how great the stuff is and they won't. I have the edead in my car. I wasn't impressed with it. It's still up, but I only put it on flat surfaces. NOt on my doors or roof. I could care less about how others feel about the company as a whole. I can say from experience that I do not like the eDead. I traded for a piece of the Raamat and it is a LOT better. Thicker and stickier.

So do what you want to do man. You heard the opinions but it's you who is gonna shell out the money.