iD Mids Clipping?

[CrownMe 10+ year member]

hey,

setup:

Pioneer HU

DD C1 amp (birthsheat says 230watts @ 4 ohms so 115 each channel)

iD cxs64 Comps (150 @ 4 ohms rms)

I was wondering if my mids are possible clipping. Basically on certain tracks that have heavy mid bass, like that boom bap quick bass response type tracks. When I turn the volume up on my HU it starts popping.

Normally I would think I'm just turning it up too much, which is most likely the case since the mids are being under powered. What are ur suggestions? Get a more powerful amp? if so I'd have to sell mine, and idea how much a DD C1 goes for these days?

thanks

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[Side Show 10+ year member]

Set the gains a highpass filter correct

 

[CrownMe 10+ year member]

gains is all the way up... high pass is at about 80

.. no good?

 

[treadburner 10+ year member]

not good at all

turn the gain down and have someone who knows what they r doing set the gain

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

what he said ^^^

 

[tez4life Premium Member]

gains is all the way up... high pass is at about 80
.. no good?

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif and ouch.

Very very no good, gains maxed out= clipping and cooked speaker if your not careful.

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

Bad doggy. How do you know to ask if they are clipping, but don't even realize you absolutely had to be clipping the shit out of them?

 

[BloodyGuts335i 10+ year member]

research the forum or the internet on ways to tune your gains.. that is very dangerous to you equipment... good luck bro.. dont play the system again until you get that properly tuned..

 

[CrownMe 10+ year member]

.. actually the gain wasn't turned all the way up. But its pretty high.

Anddd I figured I should be pushing as much power possible to the comps since the amp pushes only 115 per channel and the mids require 150. From what I had understood, underpowering can also be seriously dangerous to my speakers.

To be honest I've been using these for a while like this, its just that normally I never turn it up that high, I never smelt burnt coils or anything like that so I'm assuming I havent cooked em.

And most the gain setting tutorials I've been reading seem to be sorta geared towards subs. But this is my understanding:

set everything to the minimum level on ur amp

turn ur HU up about 75%

then work with each gain one at a time, till u hear it clip then turn that gain down till u dont hear any distortion anymore?

.. does that about sound right?

btw, thanks for the help, really appreciate it

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

Underpowering isn't going to hurt anything. Maybe try setting them with a dmm.

Clipping your speakers with an underpowered amp is going to do damage though.

 

[phemps 10+ year member]

Underpowering isn't going to hurt anything. Maybe try setting them with a dmm.
Clipping your speakers with an underpowered amp is going to do damage though.[/QUOTE]

thiss. having an underpowerd amp tends to make people gain happy causing clipping fast. bad

 

[CrownMe 10+ year member]

Ok, so I just went back and did the 75% thing, from one of the tutorials I read, and it seems to be set nicely now.

I'll take ur advice and try reading into the DMM method.

btw, I didnt get that, underpowering wont hurt anything but having an underpowered amp can lead to clipping?

Isnt that the situation I'm in? my speakers require more power than my amp can possibly provide it, making it an underpowered amp?

 

[phemps 10+ year member]

Ok, so I just went back and did the 75% thing, from one of the tutorials I read, and it seems to be set nicely now.
I'll take ur advice and try reading into the DMM method.

btw, I didnt get that, underpowering wont hurt anything but having an underpowered amp can lead to clipping?

Isnt that the situation I'm in? my speakers require more power than my amp can possibly provide it, making it an underpowered amp?

yes well if you have an amp that puts out less than the desired speaker wattage some people tend to overcompensate by cranking the gains which is just gonna cause major amp clipping

 

[bigaudiofanati2 10+ year member]

what he said ^^^

X2 you are going to hurt those if you keep doing it unless you already have.

 

[Horsemanwill 10+ year member]

yes well if you have an amp that puts out less than the desired speaker wattage some people tend to overcompensate by cranking the gains which is just gonna cause major amp clipping

what he and the others said. underpowering speakers usually causes ppl think they need to compensate by turning up the gain or the volume because they think it's not enough. this in turns starts to send a clipped signal to the speakers which is what damages them. not the underpowering.

now with that that said the ID CTX series speakers were made for drop in replacements. so wether powering it off the deck or an amp would suit the speakers fine. and if you'd look on the box of the ctx65cs you'll see a bar graph showing where the different power areas are. 100 is considered safe and the rest below that is green.