I Want To Make Some Enemies

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

ummmmm mehhhhh

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

Welcome to the forum Richard Clark. Your test is useless and doesnt prove jack shit.

Oh sir but what does it not prove?

 

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I understand your reasoning for thinking like this.
But it comes down to this like everything else in life, you get what you pay for.

You pay for cheap **** it might work fine but they use cheap materials and ****** laborers and the products are not solid.

Yes, $100 amp may sound the same as a $200 amp.

5 years down the road when you replaced that $100 amp 5 times your $200 amp is still doing its job.

I won't argue with you.

 

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no... precisely 8.2 inches of thick white meat. dont worry... you will definitely feel some distortion.

So when you disagree with someone it makes you horny and you want to have gay man seks with them? What is wrong with you dude?

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

this needs to be moved to the dome lol

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

Then please, please, explain to me what makes it so much better?

The Zed would be much better build quality, use much better components, more than likely last forever, and have much better processing if we are talking about using the built in crossovers, etc.

SQ, nothing, as long as you aren't clipping whatever you are comparing it to or processing the signal, it's no better at all.

 

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this needs to be moved to the dome lol

Hey we can take it to the dome lol.

 

[zako 10+ year member]

Ok, who here thinks they can hear the difference between 2 different amps as long as they aren't being clipped or doing any processing?
Let's say the cheapest 100x2 amp money can buy running at 80 watts, no clipping, no processing, vs anything you can find set to run at 80 watts.

I'm willing to bet you can't, and thousands of "golden ears" have proven that you can't.

If you hear a preference in two different amps, that preference is either in processing or distortion. It's that simple. A Boss watt unclipped and unprocessed will sound no worse than a *take your pick* watt unclipped and unprocessed.

Discuss, argue, fight, agree, let the games begin! Just remember, we aren't talking build quality, looks, nut hugging factor, etc. I also know this has been discussed before, but I know a lot of people disagree. Who is with me, who is against me, and why?

I am not sure whether I am with you or not.. but if you compare two amps that provide the same wattage, their output signal is probably not the same, even if watt for watt they are the same. First THD is not the same. All you know is that both have THD below 1% because this is how most amplifiers are tested for RMS wattage. But one could have easily 0.05%THD and another one 0.1% THD at a given wattage. Next, SNR is not the same. Finally, acoustic cross talk is not the same. Often budget amps have crosstalk in the 30s through 50s, while the good ones (not necessarily a lot more expensive) have channel separation of >60dBs. Some are even in the 70s or 80s. These specs need not to imply audible differences. For example, there is one guy on DIYMA who did some tests with encoding music with some crosstalk and who is arguing right now that you can't distinguish between 30dB and 60dB crosstalk. Others claim that -30dB crosstalk at 1KHz is bad because it increases by 6dB with each octave, getting into single digits at treble frequencies. I have also experienced some alternator whine with some amplifiers and no alternator whine with others. Same car, same speakers, same wiring! I simply swapped the amplifier. The previews one was from a cheap POS brand.

Next issue is the frequency response. Do you know that it is not linear? There are amplifiers that have +0/-1dB frequency response that extends into >30-60Hz region, and there are others that are down by 1dB at 18KHz. 18KHz is in the audible range for many people. I read amplifier reviews of a Russian car audio web site. These guys have heard and tested dozens of quality amplifiers, and their claim is that amplifiers do sound different. I don't know if I should believe them or not. I leaning towards the view that amplifiers can sound different, even if they're rated for the same wattage. There are too many other specs involved here.

 

[sleazebagger 10+ year member]

sorry... I totally thought this was the dome. my bad

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

Welcome to the forum Richard Clark. Your test is useless and doesnt prove jack shit.

And man I'm disappointed in you! I thought you were smarter than that!

 

[05trailblazer 10+ year member]

correct they have nice logos and designs...

Never said anything about doing rated, build quality, etc. If a 5000 watt Boss amp can do 1500 unclipped it will sound NO different that any other 1500 watt amp unclipped.

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

I am not sure whether I am with you or not.. but if you compare two amps that provide the same wattage, their output signal is probably not the same, even if watt for watt they are the same. First THD is not the same. All you know is that both have THD below 1% because this is how most amplifiers are tested for RMS wattage. But one could have easily 0.05%THD and another one 0.1% THD at a given wattage. Next, SNR is not the same. Finally, acoustic cross talk is not the same. Often budget amps have crosstalk in the 30s through 50s, while the good ones (not necessarily a lot more expensive) have channel separation of >60dBs. Some are even in the 70s or 80s. These specs need not to imply audible differences. For example, there is one guy on DIYMA who did some tests with encoding music with some crosstalk and who is arguing right now that you can't distinguish between 30dB and 60dB crosstalk. Others claim that -30dB crosstalk at 1KHz is bad because it increases by -6dB with each octave, getting into single digits at treble frequencies. I have also experienced some alternator whine with some amplifiers and no alternator whine with others. Same car, same speakers, same wiring! I simply swapped the amplifier.

Awesome! A great answer. Your speakers likely produce more THD than your amplifier. More than likely below the threshold of human hearing. Same with crosstalk. Now alternator whine, we are getting into build quality there, and I will never argue that you generally get what you pay for when it comes to build quality!

Thank you for playing sir!

 

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correct they have nice logos and designs...

Nice logos and designs are very cool, I can't argue with this!

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

The build quality is what it is all about. If I'm going to drop a lot of money I want a amp that will sound the same from the moment it's powered up till I'm ready to turn it off. For many cycles

 

[CAT MAN 5,000+ posts]

i could hear a drastic difference and see a drastic difference from a higher quality amp . like ap to maxxsonics or maxxsonics to sundown etc.

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

The build quality is what it is all about. If I'm going to drop a lot of money I want a amp that will sound the same from the moment it's powered up till I'm ready to turn it off. For many cycles

Totally respect that and can't argue a bit with it! Thank you for playing sir!

 

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i could hear a drastic difference and see a drastic difference from a higher quality amp . like ap to maxxsonics or maxxsonics to sundown etc.

PM me if you want to make some money. I want 50 percent, and it will cost you to prove that you can tell the difference.

 

[CAT MAN 5,000+ posts]

Totally respect that and can't argue a bit with it! Thank you for playing sir! 

---------- Post added at 08:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:08 PM ----------

 

PM me if you want to make some money. I want 50 percent, and it will cost you to prove that you can tell the difference.

its easy if you know what to look/listen for. efficiency plays a big role in it. so does distortion. carry on with your shenanigans but its been proven 100000 times over.

 

[05trailblazer 10+ year member]

i will say this though i hate it when people cannot tell the difference between sounding good at a high volume then just turning up the bass at high volume

 

[MANTI5 10+ year member]

It's been proven time and again that you can not hear the difference when all things are equal.