How in the hell do you score 81?

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

they both have a KING status in my eyes 2 of the best players to ever grace us with their many talents.

here is a little bit on their stats to prove they are both KINGS OF THE COURT above all others..

Let's start with Wilt Chamberlain...

For his career Wilt averaged 30.1 points, 4.4 assists, and 22.9 rebounds. He shot 54% from the field and a weak 51% from the line. But his playoff averages significantly dropped. For his career playoff averages he had 22.5 points, 4.2 assists, and 24.5 rebounds.

The 7-1 center scored 30 points in 65 straight games, 50 points in seven consecutive games, and scored 100 points in a single game. "Wilt the stilt" was simply dominating. In two games Wilt had 78 points and 43 rebounds, then turns around and drops a 58 point, 42 rebound performance.

He had career totals of 31,419 points, 4,643 assists, and 23,924 rebounds, In 1,045 games.

Wilt was an NBA champion twice (1967, 1972), NBA final MVP (1972), NBA MVP (1960, 1966, 1967, 1968), All NBA first team seven times, Second Team three times, All Defensive Team (1972, 1973), Rookie Of The Year (1960), and was inducted into the Basketball Hall Of Fame in 1978.

Michael Jordan

For Michael's career, he averaged 30.1 points, 5.3 assists, 6.2 rebounds, and 2.35 steals on 50% shooting and 84% free throw shooting—in 1072 games.

At 6-6, the shooting guard posted higher career averages in the playoffs than in the regular season. His Best seasonal numbers were 38 points, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, and 3.16 steals in the 1987-1988 season.

Jordan had career highs of 69 points, 17 assists, 18 rebounds, 6 blocks, and 10 steals (56 minutes played), all in separate games.

He Is a five time most valuable player (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998), Ten time All-NBA selection, six time NBA champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998), NBA defensive player of the year in 1988, nine time NBA all defensive First team, and two time NBA finals MVP.

Entering the 2002-2003 season he ranked first in NBA history scoring average at 31.0 points per game and is currently the Bulls all time leader in points scored, rebounds, assists, steals, games played, field goals made and attempted, and free throws made and attempted.

He owns the NBA record for times lead the NBA in scoring, at 10 times, and is widely regarded as the best basketball player of all time.

But who really IS the best player?

Lets do it like this...

Best points average? Wilt

Best Assists average? Jordan

Rebound average? Wilt

Games played? Jordan

Clutch play? Jordan

NBA championships? 6-2 advantage Jordan

Finals MVP? 2-1 advantage Jordan

Most dominating single game? Wilt...100 points

Most dominating season? Wilt...50.4 points and 25.7 rebounds

We could go on and on, so i'm going to kill the madness here.

My point is that if you look at the stats, and make your decision on the best player of all time solely on the stats. Wilt Chamberlain is your man , 50 point and 25 rebound averages in a singe season...That's hard to beat.

But I don't care about the stats.

I don't care how great of averages you had...because the game is about winning, and although Wilt won the championship twice, Jordan won it six times.

Is it unfair?

The national media helped Jordan a lot. Not only was he in the spotlight every time he played, the time period in which he played in was far more technologically advanced than Wilts era.

In The 60s and 70s, fans couldn't watch the best players in the NBA/ABA play every night, if at all. The only way you would be able to watch Wilt play was if you went to the stadium yourself.

So I say we split this into two era's.

Wilt Is the best player of his era.

Jordan is the best player of the modern era.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

found that on a site I frequent and remembered reading it so I went and found it for all to peruse //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Yeah but wilt wasn't playing against the same comp or in the same type of game as 2011. It is impossible for anybody else to ever score 81 in an NBA game- ever.

When Jordan scored 64, and 50+ many times, he could have easily scored much more. One thing Jordan was always good at was not alienating his other teammates. He usually only scored big after the rest of his team proved to be having an off night. In the end, its all about the win. That's what Jordan did best, win.

 

[plugitin 5,000+ posts]

kobe

 

[Bob Saget]

worst part is he did it against my team, Toronto Raptors.***holds head down in shame***

who?

 

[Bob Saget]

When Jordan scored 64, and 50+ many times, he could have easily scored much more. One thing Jordan was always good at was not alienating his other teammates. He usually only scored big after the rest of his team proved to be having an off night. In the end, its all about the win. That's what Jordan did best, win.

Michael Jordan > NBA

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Michael Jordan > NBA

Im not a young man, Ive seen a lot of talent come and go. Nobody... nobody... has achieved what Jordan could accomplish. Wilt would agree.

 

[iLL Ridge 10+ year member]

I think Jordan is best all-time. He was unstoppable ALL over the court, in every position and a clutch player and game winner.

 

[Boomsday 10+ year member]

Kobe>MJ

after MJ retired the first time the NBA took a huge dip in talent, Kobe has played againts, Lebron, Melo, MJ, Malone, Shaq, etc...He cant take a night off, where is MJ had that luxury of being able to tank it if he wanted to..From like 94-99 the NBA was a huge mess...I watched MJ when he came into the league and watch Kobe when he came into the league..Better opponents often make you a better player...and Kobe has better opponents..

and if Wilt wouldnt be able to compete with nobody in the best 20-30years, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, KG, Ewing, etc would have ate his lunch, the game is wayyyy to different to compare apples to oranges, so saying Wilt was the greatest of his era is a correct statement, one of the best of all time, nah

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I think Jordan is best all-time. He was unstoppable ALL over the court, in every position and a clutch player and game winner.

That's why i will probably always see Jordan as the best. As he aged, he gamed evolved, and he managed to absolutely dominate no matter is he was powering to the rim, or hitting one 3-pointer after another to break the back of his opponent.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Kobe>MJ
after MJ retired the first time the NBA took a huge dip in talent, Kobe has played againts, Lebron, Melo, MJ, Malone, Shaq, etc...He cant take a night off, where is MJ had that luxury of being able to tank it if he wanted to..From like 94-99 the NBA was a huge mess...I watched MJ when he came into the league and watch Kobe when he came into the league..Better opponents often make you a better player...and Kobe has better opponents..

and if Wilt wouldnt be able to compete with nobody in the best 20-30years, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, KG, Ewing, etc would have ate his lunch, the game is wayyyy to different to compare apples to oranges, so saying Wilt was the greatest of his era is a correct statement, one of the best of all time, nah

If you watched Jordan night in and night out, like I did, throughout his entire career, you'd realize he only took nights off when Pippen or Kerr or Armstrong were on their game. When they weren't, he stepped in and took complete control... night after night, week after week, year after year. As amazing as his stats are, he had a lot more potential than even they suggest.

 

[Bob Saget]

Im not a young man, Ive seen a lot of talent come and go. Nobody... nobody... has achieved what Jordan could accomplish. Wilt would agree.

I met Jordan @ Roy William's UNC b-ball camp. He's actually a nice guy, compared to what the media makes him out to be.

I also met Jordan's childhood idol, Julius "Dr J" Erving. He was by far the nicest & most sincere sports figure I have ever met in my life, & I've met a lot of them. Me & my dad saw him sitting on a stool in the aisle @ an Orlando Magic game a few years ago. I think he was working for them at the time. We stopped by to take a picture with him & he talked to my dad for a good 5-10 minutes, then he stood up & shook our hands when we left.

 

[Boomsday 10+ year member]

Kobes accomplishments

* 5× NBA Champion (2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010)

* 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)

* NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)

* 12× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2010)

* 2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)

* 8× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2010)

* 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)

* 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)

* 8× All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2010)

* 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002)

* NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)

* 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009)

* NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1997)

* Olympic Gold Medalist (2008)

* Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)

MJ's accomplishments

* 6× NBA Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)

* 5× NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991–1992, 1996, 1998)

* 14× NBA All-Star (1985–1993, 1996–1998, 2002–2003)

* 6× NBA Finals MVP (1991–1993, 1996–1998)

* NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)

* 10× All-NBA First Team (1987–1993, 1996–1998)

* All-NBA Second Team (1985)

* 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1988–1993, 1996–1998)

* NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)

* NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)

* 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)

* 2× NBA Slam Dunk Contest winner (1987–1988)

* 2× Gold Medal Winner in the Olympics (1984, 1992)

* NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team

* NCAA Men's Basketball Champion (1982)

* 2× Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (1983, 1984)

* 1982 ACC Freshman of the Year

* ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year (1984)

* USBWA College Player of the Year (1984)

* Naismith College Player of the Year (1984)

* John R. Wooden Award (1984)

* Adolph Rupp Trophy (1984)

Remember Kobe didnt go to college, so the college stuff is irrelevant, oh and I hate Kobe.lol

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I met Jordan @ Roy William's UNC b-ball camp. He's actually a nice guy, compared to what the media makes him out to be.
I also met Jordan's childhood idol, Julius "Dr J" Erving. He was by far the nicest & most sincere sports figure I have ever met in my life, & I've met a lot of them. Me & my dad saw him sitting on a stool in the aisle @ an Orlando Magic game a few years ago. I think he was working for them at the time. We stopped by to take a picture with him & he talked to my dad for a good 5-10 minutes, then he stood up & shook our hands when we left.

Ive met them both, briefly (and Horace Grant shops at the local grocery store I use to frequent btw, same neighborhood).... I agree... both very nice people. I rarely feel sports stars appreciate or even deserve the notoriety they acquire... both those men do.

Oh and... Horace Grant's wife is fucking hawt!

 

[Boomsday 10+ year member]

If you watched Jordan night in and night out, like I did, throughout his entire career, you'd realize he only took nights off when Pippen or Kerr or Armstrong were on their game. When they weren't, he stepped in and took complete control... night after night, week after week, year after year. As amazing as his stats are, he had a lot more potential than even they suggest.

I sure did watch him every night WGN FTW, and when I say took the night off I was referring to the competition not being nearly as good as it is now or was in the early to mid 80's