High Effiency Midrange

[NCHEVYHEVN 10+ year member]

I'm looking for a high effiency midrange that could keep up with some Image Dynamics CD1-e horns. I was planning on also running some Dayton RS-225 8'' midbass.

I was looking at these which are remakes of the originals.

http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cart_id=6502117.5161&pid=107

I heard the originals were really good but I'm not sure on these. Are they the same as the originals and will they match well with the daytons? They are 100watts @ 8ohms while the Daytons are only 80watts @ 4ohms.

Any other suggestions for midranges?

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[JonJT 10+ year member]

Those Audax woofers are excellent

Edit: I'm afraid you might run out of thermal power handling with those Daytons. Your going to need to push a lot of power through your midbasses to keep yup with a high efficiency midrange and some horns. Not to mention, the Xmax is kind a low.

 

[NCHEVYHEVN 10+ year member]

Those Audax woofers are excellent
Edit: I'm afraid you might run out of thermal power handling with those Daytons. Your going to need to push a lot of power through your midbasses to keep yup with a high efficiency midrange and some horns. Not to mention, the Xmax is kind a low.

Yea, that's what I was afraid of. I was thinking that those Dayton's might end up being the weaklink. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif Any suggestions. Maybe the Adire Extremis?

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Price/Performance wise; those Audax remakes are your best option. There are some others...but most are about 2x the price.

About the 2nd best option I can think of (price included as a factor) to look into is Eminence. But from all accounts those Audax were great midranges....I would honestly make those my #1 option.

 

[NCHEVYHEVN 10+ year member]

Price/Performance wise; those Audax remakes are your best option. There are some others...but most are about 2x the price.
About the 2nd best option I can think of (price included as a factor) to look into is Eminence. But from all accounts those Audax were great midranges....I would honestly make those my #1 option.

Do you think those Dayton midbasses are a good choice to go along with the rest of the setup?

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Do you think those Dayton midbasses are a good choice to go along with the rest of the setup?

yeah, the daytons are known for being very solid midbass drivers on a budget. I'd go with the daytons and the audax, but that's me, in terms of budget/performance. The extremis is a great woofer, but it's more expensive. If you can afford the extremis and an amp to power them that would be a great choice too, albeit a bit more expensive.

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

Remember I said might. I haven't actually heard them. If they aren't good enough you aren't gonna know untill really high volumes and even that depends on the type of music you listen to and what kind of eqing your using. I say try them first and make provisions if they don't suit you.

How much money would you be willing to spend if you bought new woofers?

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

That midrange looks perfect to match with horns, xmax is not really an issue to worry about in the midrange( although itrs the reason that 6.5"! is no good below 500hz). The only thing i see as a problem is the HP xover point you are going to need for the midrange will ask a greater range from your 8". From a efficiency/output standpoint on the lower end of the midbass you want a lesser range covered by those Daytons to keep up as you pile on the volume with the other drivers. I think they could work up a more than modest sound pressure point, but then run out of steam above that. Heck for $40 a driver its worth a try.

The RS225-4's with 70rms can comparibly boogie with my Lotus 8's with nearly 350rms per driver in my car.

 

[JonJT 10+ year member]

That midrange looks perfect to match with horns, xmax is not really an issue to worry about in the midrange( although itrs the reason that 6.5"! is no good below 500hz). The only thing i see as a problem is the HP xover point you are going to need for the midrange will ask a greater range from your 8". From a efficiency/output standpoint on the lower end of the midbass you want a lesser range covered by those Daytons to keep up as you pile on the volume with the other drivers. I think they could work up a more than modest sound pressure point, but then run out of steam above that. Heck for $40 a driver its worth a try.
The RS225-4's with 70rms can comparibly boogie with my Lotus 8's with nearly 350rms per driver in my car.

I've seen people cross that Audax at 250-300hz with a steep slope and careful eqing. I plan on doing the same when I get mine.

 

[3.5Max6spd 10+ year member]

I've seen people cross that Audax at 250-300hz with a steep slope and careful eqing. I plan on doing the same when I get mine.

Yeah, you can also benefit from the typical boost in-car in the 400hz region. In certain setups I've had dedicated midbass @ 250hz 12db LP, with certain midranges underlapped between a 300-500hz HP depending on driver and location.

Good luck.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

I've seen people cross that Audax at 250-300hz with a steep slope and careful eqing. I plan on doing the same when I get mine.

Winslow has stated they are "good" down to about 175hz @ 24db/oct.

Though crossing at 300hz would very likely have less distortion.

Anyways, about the Daytons; As was said, they are supposed to have solid midbass so they very well could work. There are some other options aswell, most of which are a little harder to find. Though the Peerless SLS that (I believe) replaced the XLS looks interesting.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Winslow has stated they are "good" down to about 175hz @ 24db/oct.
Though crossing at 300hz would very likely have less distortion.

Anyways, about the Daytons; As was said, they are supposed to have solid midbass so they very well could work. There are some other options aswell, most of which are a little harder to find. Though the Peerless SLS that (I believe) replaced the XLS looks interesting.

SLS are considered the replacement for the xls in DIY circles. A bit less xmax, but better for an IB install.

 

[WLDock 10+ year member]

Here is another midrange to check out:

http://www.usspeaker.com/B&C-6PEV13-1.htm

As far as midbass? The Daytons might work but I would go with a more capable driver. The Peerless XLS would have been nice but lets move past that....The SLS sounds like a nice but there are other drivers that might work.

Yeah, T3mpest is right the JBL's would not work up that high(400Hz).

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Here is another midrange to check out:http://www.usspeaker.com/B&C-6PEV13-1.htm

As far as midbass? The Daytons might work but I would go with a more capable driver. The Peerless XLS would have been nice but lets move past that....The SLS sounds like a nice but there are other drivers that might work.

Some have used the JBL GTO804 for midbass duty. Give them 200watts each.

JBL GTO804

Sens(2.83V@1M) - 91dB

Power - 200Wrms/800Wpeak

Freq. Resp. - 30Hz-400Hz

Nom. Imp. - 4 Ohms

4-5/16" Mounting depth

XMAX - 11.50mm

Qts - 0.42

BL - 12.88Tm

http://www.jbl.com/car/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=GTO804&Language=ENG&Country=US&Region=USA&cat=SUB&ser=GTS

About $59.99 each

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_7443.html

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http://www.nardik.se/bilder/jbl/gto804sida2_s.jpg

really heavy moving mass on those. Those things wouldn't even make it to 400hz sounding decent. Those are dedicated subs, not a midbass driver.

 

[WLDock 10+ year member]

Yeah, I guess the mass is a bit much to get up to 400Hz.