Hifonics sq?

[tsenfw 10+ year member]

Damn too much bickering in here.

Well back to the subject. Can you tell sq differences in mono amps? Someone in here is saying no with those double blind tests.

I like loudness and flex but my goal is 1000-1500 on a single 12" version 3 mag in a 2.0cu ft @ 34hz. I want it sound good, get loud, and stay sounding good when it's loud.

Trying to chose between sundown, ED, hifonics, etc. I know those don't really compare well but if I go more quality = can only afford less watts.

Sundown - 1000

ED - 1200

Hifonics - 1500

 

[FAMOUS fR!k 10+ year member]

HiFonics is good

no one said its the best

i buy my own shit

and if its good and for the money makes shit shake

AND theres quality...y not?

JL is such a joke

who pays all that for their components?

there are way better companies..sure they prob are better than HiFOnics

but for the money? HA

i am laughing my *** off at how much of a lil ***** Mr DAve is

seriously

i want to sound Advice and they built my system and put it on for me

..then i used daddy.s credit card and paid for it

money doesnt buy the best shit

it just buys the moost expensive

btw

wut do u actually have bumping in ur trunk MrDAVE?

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

The main differences in modern mono amps relates to the quality of the power supply (the amount of capacitance, the size of the transformer, and the quality of the components), and since most are now "digital" (pulse width), with the quality of the filters used to remove the noise "digital" designs introduce into the signal.

 

[xI HOTSAUCE Ix 10+ year member]

hoxie is a D-BAG

 

[miker 5,000+ posts]

Lol.. You want flex, and you're concerned about the "SQ" of your amp?

Mr.Dave should state a fact, other than "you get what you pay for" . . .

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

ok first off ALPINE, is one of the number 1 audio/video leaders in the WORLD! simple as that, what company spends 200grand on a hummer to simply display there shit at a sema show? noone, atleast not with a high end vehicle. personally i dont use or even like alpine that much other than nice solid HU's, and if you argue the HU's not good well then you got issues and just wanna run mouth and argue dumb shit to make your post count go up, hats off to you people like that and congrats. meanwhile, as far as budget goes, then hifonics cant really be beat on overall power, SQ, looks, durability within the same class or price range. sure ill admit there a prolly 1million better companys out there but most of us dont got the money to spend 2thousand dollars on a 600watt amp that comes with a lil midget plated in gold to play with yo nuts while we drive our hoopdies! hifonics has been around for over 25years makin this stuff so yes it is possible they found a way to make a decent quality product out of decent quality parts and sell it for cheap, 90% of the time the only reason shit cost so much is because you just bought a name brand and got a free amp with it. my boy owns a shop and even he said your just buyin a name, most people pay 500 dollars for an amp that cost the dealers 80bucks! and also my boy said in order to be an authorized dealer for memphis, which he is, the require you to sell there product at a certain price range so they keep there reputation as a "high-end" product, and i know some of the dealers on here can vouch for that! meanwhile hifonics is good, i too am a budget builder and cant wait around for an extra 150 to come out my @$$ so i can buy an amp, (got 1 kid costin me 140/week in CS, a son thats 4months old, 2 step kids that are 2.5 years and a car payment, insurance, rent, phone, cable, electricity, water, gas for my 7.2MPG jeep, and we all gotta eat right?, oh yeah what about that occasional night out, it not free) anyways its great if your not a millionaire! i have all hifonics componetns, subs and right now saving up for 2 1000w hifon amps! and for the cheapest go to onlinecarstereo.com there im done my rant, im sick of lil bishes talkin crap on everything when they don realize we not like them, mommy and daddy wont buy us this shit for christmas, we gotta work for it and need to get decent not the best and cant spen a mill doin it!

Well Said

 

[trashedxj 10+ year member]

thanks, lol sorry bout all the rantin jus some people talkin crap on everyones shit pisses me off cause i too am a budget builder and in my town i actually have adecent rep for soundin good and buildin quality well buile systems and get good money on the side for doin it, so people talkin crap on budget builders annoys me!

 

[tsenfw 10+ year member]

Lol.. You want flex, and you're concerned about the "SQ" of your amp?
Mr.Dave should state a fact, other than "you get what you pay for" . . .

Damn too much bickering in here.
Well back to the subject. Can you tell sq differences in mono amps? Someone in here is saying no with those double blind tests.

I like loudness and flex but my goal is 1000-1500 on a single 12" version 3 mag in a 2.0cu ft @ 34hz. I want it sound good, get loud, and stay sounding good when it's loud.

Trying to chose between sundown, ED, hifonics, etc. I know those don't really compare well but if I go more quality = can only afford less watts.

Sundown - 1000

ED - 1200

Hifonics - 1500

If you actually fully read my post you would have realized my goal //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[miker 5,000+ posts]

I did, and realize what you want.

It's just that those two don't exactly go together, all I'm saying.

If they are all the same price, I would get the ED or Sundown, because the hifonics is going to be giving you power closer to the numbers that the other brands are saying.

 

[tsenfw 10+ year member]

I did, and realize what you want.
It's just that those two don't exactly go together, all I'm saying.

If they are all the same price, I would get the ED or Sundown, because the hifonics is going to be giving you power closer to the numbers that the other brands are saying.

Wait, you saying got for the hifonics or go for ed or sundown?

Did you mean, "Go for the ED or Sundown, because there's no question if they do rated power'?

 

[trashedxj 10+ year member]

I did, and realize what you want.
It's just that those two don't exactly go together, all I'm saying.

If they are all the same price, I would get the ED or Sundown, because the hifonics is going to be giving you power closer to the numbers that the other brands are saying.

not true but even if it was a hifonics 1500 only puttin 1000 it would be doin it for way cheaper than any other amp can do it for, so what would it matter?!

 

[GAM3OVR 5,000+ posts]

thanks, lol sorry bout all the rantin jus some people talkin crap on everyones shit pisses me off cause i too am a budget builder and in my town i actually have adecent rep for soundin good and buildin quality well buile systems and get good money on the side for doin it, so people talkin crap on budget builders annoys me!

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I like Hifonics as a budget amp, but IMO it's the best acoustical choice.

mostly due to poor S/N ratio and Higher then norm THD.

But If you want to "knock the block" for cheap.

Shiet.... get you hifonics //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I'm going to compare a 1200 watt hifonics to a 1200 watt rockford. see a difference maybe?

 

[PaulD 10+ year member]

So why was he running only the top of the line Alpine amps in his GN if there was no difference in sound quality?
He should have saved himself a few thousand dollars and used Kraco.

It's what the car came with when he purchased it from speaker works, but the reason is simple - alpine was one of the few comapnies back then that sold amp that powerful. There were 5 350 watt/ch amps, 4 of them bridged for each of 2 subs and 2 midbass, the horns had the 5th one playing in stereo. They needed that much power because in the old days you didn't compete in sq OR spl, everything was added together. You had to run thru the lanes and get judged in sq, then spl, then rta ..... with NO adjustments in between. Since the spl cap was originally 140 dB, your vehicle had to play FULL SPECTRUM up to at least 135 dB or you wouldn't have a chance at anything but local events.

As for the amp thing, pls notice that I NEVER said there was no difference, I can pull out some test equipment and prove quite plainly that there are differences. The point is that these differences are not so easily (if at all) perceivable by human hearing. The other problem is that the typical distortion of speakers would most likely mask any differences anyway since speaker non-linearities are typically several orders of magnitude higher than even the cheapest of amps. Btw, Richard replaced the Alpine amps with some Kenwood amps at one time for some marketing thing, apparently didn't hurt the sq any.

As for why I use more expensive brands, it has more to do with reliability and ability to handle transients, etc ..

 

[6spdcoupe 5,000+ posts]

they sound like complete ass....the watts they be makin be mad dirty son

Im fairly certain this was NOT sarcasm.

Amplifiers do not have "sq" as long as they are not made out of the worst components in the world.

Wow, I do not even have words, so I guess this fits .. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Although I do agree the brands I have owned are not cream of the crop, they are surely not crap. (Maybe except pyramid)
Reliability and build quality does play a roll, Although I dont see the use in paying $150 for an exotic brand that has nowhere near the product support a company like alpine has.

Nowhere near the product support? Seriously? Alpine is a box mover, nothing more.

ha ha ha .... I leave for like a month and this is the first thread I open. I see nothing has changed.
Mr Dave, if you really believe what you say - there is a guy named Richard Clark who has a challenge for you. You compare any two amps (that are gained matched to .01 dB with all the other features on the amp bypassed) and you have to guess which amp is playing 10 times out of 10. This a double blind ABX test. With your elitist ear, this should be no problem. By the way, some of the best trained ears in the music industy have taken the challenge - no one has done better than a 7 of 10, statistically just lucky guessing. If you guess all 10 times, you get $10,000.

RC challenge was a joke and RC even admitted it. Several people have stepped up for this 'challenge' and were told they could not participate OR new 'rules' were set. When you can set your own rules as you play - a man and his money will never be separated.

even back in the day, when they were supposed to be good, Hifonics was never a good "sq" amp.

Precisely. When they were ZED built they were fairly reliable, did 'rated' power and performed well. Power consumptions hogs though.

Hahaha, you dumbass.Alpine makes great sq amps and their type x is a great sq woofer.

Most head units have a 110 S/N ratios and most of their products are fairly inexpensive.

So what the F are you talknig about?

Fan boy? I think great is a bit of a stretch. Good mainstream product? Sure, but great?

ok first off ALPINE, is one of the number 1 audio/video leaders in the WORLD! simple as that, what company spends 200grand on a hummer to simply display there shit at a sema show? noone, atleast not with a high end vehicle. personally i dont use or even like alpine that much other than nice solid HU's, and if you argue the HU's not good well then you got issues and just wanna run mouth and argue dumb shit to make your post count go up, hats off to you people like that and congrats. meanwhile, as far as budget goes, then hifonics cant really be beat on overall power, SQ, looks, durability within the same class or price range. sure ill admit there a prolly 1million better companys out there but most of us dont got the money to spend 2thousand dollars on a 600watt amp that comes with a lil midget plated in gold to play with yo nuts while we drive our hoopdies! hifonics has been around for over 25years makin this stuff so yes it is possible they found a way to make a decent quality product out of decent quality parts and sell it for cheap, 90% of the time the only reason shit cost so much is because you just bought a name brand and got a free amp with it. my boy owns a shop and even he said your just buyin a name, most people pay 500 dollars for an amp that cost the dealers 80bucks! and also my boy said in order to be an authorized dealer for memphis, which he is, the require you to sell there product at a certain price range so they keep there reputation as a "high-end" product, and i know some of the dealers on here can vouch for that! meanwhile hifonics is good, i too am a budget builder and cant wait around for an extra 150 to come out my @$$ so i can buy an amp, (got 1 kid costin me 140/week in CS, a son thats 4months old, 2 step kids that are 2.5 years and a car payment, insurance, rent, phone, cable, electricity, water, gas for my 7.2MPG jeep, and we all gotta eat right?, oh yeah what about that occasional night out, it not free) anyways its great if your not a millionaire! i have all hifonics componetns, subs and right now saving up for 2 1000w hifon amps! and for the cheapest go to onlinecarstereo.com there im done my rant, im sick of lil bishes talkin crap on everything when they don realize we not like them, mommy and daddy wont buy us this shit for christmas, we gotta work for it and need to get decent not the best and cant spen a mill doin it!

Number 1 in what? Sales? Sure. Marketing? Sure. Invest into a good marketing campaign and the sales follow. Which leads to your next statement about the cost of their demo vehicles... Who do you think pays for them? YOU When a company has an extra, yes extra after overhead to drop EVERY YEAR on demo vehicles wouldnt that give you just a slight hint they are profiting off of you just a bit too much?

So why was he running only the top of the line Alpine amps in his GN if there was no difference in sound quality?
He should have saved himself a few thousand dollars and used Kraco.

Thank you.

 

[trashedxj 10+ year member]

look at the price tag, im not sure what sundown cost but i know its not in the cheaper area. so if sundown puts out a 1000 watts and say its puttin out 1000 watts and cost 400-500bucks, but hifonics says its puttin out 1500watts but is really only puttin out 1000 watts and costs 200bucks why not just get the hifonics 1500watt amp cause truth be that some lines of hifonics are underrated, some are right on the money, and the low line is actually in the ball park so hifonics 1000watts low end really like 900watts, so is it really worth payin 200bucks more for a high end amp just cause it puts out that 100watts more? i think not, its well money spent when buyin hifonics, you can get autotek for a bit cheaper and its also in the ball park and not really overrated, might say 1000 but its atleast puttin out 8-850ish, go look at http://www.onlinecarstereo.com there authorized sellers of maxxsonics product(hifonics, autotek, MB Quart, crunch...dont get crunch, its puttin out decent SQ and ok power but gets boiling hot doin it)