Hey you evolutionists...

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

Your "belief" is irrelevent.

Theories are tested and supported or disproved. Theories are not claimed to "truth". Just the best theory that fits the known "facts". If you have a better theory to fit the known facts, put it forward and they will put your name in the text books. Until then, the best theory stands. That is the scientific method. Only religion attempts to make blanket claims of absolute "truth". Science does not. Science always questions everything.

Simply saying "I don't believe the earth is round" is meaningless. The "theory" that the earth is round has been supported by the known "facts". There is no other theory to better explain the known facts.

Evolution has been repeatedly supported. It has correctly predicted the outcome of millions of individual experiments and observations.

It is only questioned by people who lack a basic understanding of fundamental science.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

nobody can definitively prove evolution, nobody can definitively prove God. Both take faith. So you're a believer in one or the other that you can't go back and see.

You can test, inifinitely, to prove that evolution is fact or not. Name one test that will conclusively tell the existance of God or not.
One is based on faith alone, the other is based on testing alone. How you conlude those as both being equal I have no idea. ;0

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

You can test, inifinitely, to prove that evolution is fact or not. Name one test that will conclusively tell the existance of God or not.
One is based on faith alone, the other is based on testing alone. How you conlude those as both being equal I have no idea. ;0

but you can't tell me where the first atom came from. everything comes from atoms right? so where'd the first one come from? you don't know. it takes faith to believe it all started from an atom. when I say faith i mean u believe it. I have a biology degree, I know all about evolution its all we did freshmen year. there are many holes in the great theory, but I'm not here to disprove evolution, just bringing up the fact that neither can be proven definitively.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

There are parts of the theory of evolution that are fact. However, this doesn't mean that the whole package is fact.
It's a fact that objects fall toward the earth at 9.8 m/s^2. It's a fact that creatures adapt to their environment. It's not fact that God created everything in seven days, nor is it fact that humankind evolved from a primordial soup.

I cannot see how scientists can claim the theory of evolution as fact when a vast majority of the theory can neither be tested nor observed. The only things that can be observed are the traces of microevolution that we have.

Wrong. Once again you prove you lack a basic understanding of science. Evolution is not a "fact". Science does not claim "evolution is a fact". As I explained. "Facts" are just small individual peices of evidence. Evolution is a "thoery" that explains and predicts the outcome of these known "facts". No matter how much evidence is collected gravity or evolution will never be a "fact". They are theories which are accepted as "true" until a better theory comes along or new "facts" come up which brings these "theories" into question.

Do you have a better theory to fit the known facts? No? Then evolution stands as the best theory to fit the known facts. Period. End of discussion. Take a basic science class or read a book.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I cannot see how scientists can claim the theory of evolution as fact when a vast majority of the theory can neither be tested nor observed. The only things that can be observed are the traces of microevolution that we have.

The further this discussion moves, the more you seem to revert your thinking. Neil is saying evolution is a fact because he believes so. For you to turn around and then say 'scientists' claim the theory as fact is you being deliberately disingenuous. You already stated its called the 'theory of evolution'... this little game of scientists call it fact is your attempt to muddy the topic and make the other side look artificially rigid.
Im getting the strong impression you are just trolling at this point. Your tactics, argument, and lack of theory of your own emulate a troll to a T. And if youu aren't trolling, if your logic really is this short sighted and twisted, God help you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

Ok, here's just one small reason I don't believe in the big bang.

Imagine you have a merry-go-round with several kids on it. Now, imagine that you wrapped a chain around the base and hooked it to a truck, and it drove off quickly. That merry-go-round would spin very quickly and fling the children off the merry-go-round. When the kids go flying off, they will be spinning in the same direction as the merry-go-round. In physics, this is known as the conservation of angular momentum.

Now, imagine you have an infinitely small, infinitely dense ball of matter that contains all the matter in the universe. According to the big bang theory, this ball of matter was spinning, and heated up and exploded. Just like the kids flying off the merry-go-round, the matter that is moving away from the site of the explosion should be spinning in the same direction as the ball of matter. However, there are planets and even galaxies that are spinning in the opposite direction of others.

So, either the big bang defied the law of physics, or there is some more research to be done on the big bang.

One of many examples.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

but you can't tell me where the first atom came from. everything comes from atoms right? so where'd the first one come from? you don't know. it takes faith to believe it all started from an atom. when I say faith i mean u believe it. I have a biology degree, I know all about evolution its all we did freshmen year. there are many holes in the great theory, but I'm not here to disprove evolution, just bringing up the fact that neither can be proven definitively.

You have a biology degree and you think science aks you tot ake it on faith where the first atom came from??? May I ask where you went to school? Just curious.

Science does not ask that you take anything on faith. On the contrary, it demands to prove everything to th best means you can. Again, according to the rules of science, it takes inifinite positive results to prove something, but only one negative to disprove it. If that isnt the direct opposite of asking someone to take things on faith, I dont know what is.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

You have a biology degree and you think science aks you tot ake it on faith where the first atom came from??? May I ask where you went to school? Just curious.
Science does not ask that you take anything on faith. On the contrary, it demands to prove everything to th best means you can. Again, according to the rules of science, it takes inifinite positive results to prove something, but only one negative to disprove it. If that isnt the direct opposite of asking someone to take things on faith, I dont know what is.

but everything is based off an atom. you can't prove where the atom came from. so everything in science is made from one entity that can not be proven where it came from or who created it. You just gotta believe its there and it somehow showed up. There's never gonna be a test as to where the atom came from. its not possible. Scientists don't even try. You just believe in the atom and keep moving.

kinda like God. nobody can prove God or where He came from. you just gotta believe He's there and keep it moving.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Ok, here's just one small reason I don't believe in the big bang.
Imagine you have a merry-go-round with several kids on it. Now, imagine that you wrapped a chain around the base and hooked it to a truck, and it drove off quickly. That merry-go-round would spin very quickly and fling the children off the merry-go-round. When the kids go flying off, they will be spinning in the same direction as the merry-go-round. In physics, this is known as the conservation of angular momentum.

Now, imagine you have an infinitely small, infinitely dense ball of matter that contains all the matter in the universe. According to the big bang theory, this ball of matter was spinning, and heated up and exploded. Just like the kids flying off the merry-go-round, the matter that is moving away from the site of the explosion should be spinning in the same direction as the ball of matter. However, there are planets and even galaxies that are spinning in the opposite direction of others.

So, either the big bang defied the law of physics, or there is some more research to be done on the big bang.

One of many examples.

Interesting theory. Completely false, but interesting. Environment affects movement, not just initial inertia. You suggest everything in the universe should still be spinning the same direction. So if I take two tennis balls, sit them on my table, and spin each in a opposite direction, how does that fit your theory? Too abstract for you? Okay. If gravity from a near by mass affected two other masses in space in equal but opposite directions, will they still both spin the same direction?
My shooting down your idea is in no way a sign of a lack of respect. I encourage learning by sharing ideas. It took guts to type out what you did. My respect top you for that if nothing else.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Like I said, evolution is fact. The theory of evolution as the synthesis for all beings is not fact, though it is the best explanation of the facts that we have.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

Measuring that a rock falls at 9.8 (m/sec)2 is an individual "fact". Gravity is the "theory" which best explains these "facts" and predicts thier future outcomes.

Gravity is a theory. Observing a rock falling at a measured speed is an individual "fact".

Light is a theory. Predicting how sun light will act thru a magnifing glass to cook an ant is a predicatble future "fact" that can be tested.

Time is a theory. Estimating how long it will take the UPS truck to deliver your package is an individual "fact" within the "thoery"

Energy is a theory. Calculating how many amps you will need to supply your amplifiers is a "fact" proven by this theory.

Sound is a theory. Measuring how many SPL your subs will hit is a measurable "fact" based on this theoy.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Evolution is fact.....Hahahaahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Like I said, evolution is fact. The theory of evolution as the synthesis for all beings is not fact, though it is the best explanation of the facts that we have.

tell me where the first atom came from and I'll believe in evolution.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Evolution is fact.....Hahahaahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

So you're saying that the fruit flies did not evolve?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

tell me where the first atom came from and I'll believe in evolution.

Why is that your requirement to belive in evolution? The beginning of the universe is a completely separate argument from the development of the diversity in species. This is how I can tell you've never seriously considered these things.

You can't use god as the answer to the first atom, either, because god is an infinite regress.