Hey Christians

[robinsonjerry 10+ year member]

here in the chi no one prays to allah or fears any gods. none of them has done shit for me. no one i know that has died sent me an e-mail from heaven yet. if its that good there please take me know

 

[CobraStang98 10+ year member]

So Priests supposeably hear a calling from god which is why the choose to be a priest.

 

Why the hell if Jesus knows what will happen would he choose sum of these Priest who touch little boys and do these terrible ****** acts???

 

Thats a big one i never understood, why Jesus would send a POS like a 60yr old man that touches little boys for ****** enjoyment to preach his "word".

 

[808_bass 10+ year member]

It's not a "belief" in the same sense as religion belief. It's the best hypothesis supported by scientific evidence and our observations of the universe.


A couple billion?

The current observations support an age of 13.5 - 14 billion. That's 7x longer than you indicate //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

"Big Bang" is a misnomer. There wasn't a bang (no space for sound to travel) and it wasn't big (the point that exploded was infinitesimally small).

And it didn't occur in space, there was no space for it to occur in. The "big bang" created space //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

A big chunk of rock didn't just fall into place. The short story is that "space dust" gathered around stars gradually coalesced into clumps of material to form planets/etc.

But you don't image that with billions and billions of stars, billions and billions of planets and billions and billions of years that some of these planets would have fallen within the "goldie locks zone" ? The statistics are that we are but one of millions or billions of planets within these zones.

With our present understanding of "extremophiles" it is likewise not at all impossible that life could form or be sustained on planets less like our own.

Millions to billions of years after it cooled. And you wouldn't expect to see oxygen breathing life forms on a planet devoid of oxygen, would you?

If we didn't have an oxygen atmosphere, oxygen breathing life would not have evolved. But who is to say that no life would have evolved? It simply wouldn't be the life we see here today. That doesn't mean that a life form different from what we are familiar with wouldn't have evolved, that by evolution and natural selection was able to thrive in the environment from which it found itself in.

We humans are here because of our environment, evolution and natural selection. If the environment was different, we wouldn't have evolved the way we have. We are a product of our surroundings. Nothing more.

The "fairy tale" of the big bang is the hypothesis that fits all of our experiments and observations of the natural world and universe. If you have a better hypothesis that currently fits all observed data and is supported by the experimental evidence, by all means put it forth.

Here is a pretty good revision of Genesis as it should read;

http://www.michaelshermer.com/2001/12/genesis-revisited/

You shouldn't.

Morals, both personal and social.

Personal and social morals.

Are you're telling me if you didn't believe in the Christian God, you would be a raping, mass murdering, pillaging thief? That's exactly what you're telling me if you don't think you could be a decent person without belief in god. I feel more sorry for you than you should feel for me.

I don't think any non-believer deludes themselves with the idea they are a "majority"

You would be better off reading some of the quotes from our founding fathers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Judging by your post you seem to be a very intelligent person. It puzzles me how someone as smart as you can actually believe what you just posted. Since you would rather look at things logically rather than with faith in a supreme being how do you feel about this question? What are the odds of something that like actually happening the way you think it did? They are insurmountable and even incalculable.

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

The Bible says that Christians will be persecuted for their belief. Thanks JD for supplying some evidence of truth to this part at least.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

So Priests supposeably hear a calling from god which is why the choose to be a priest.  

Why the hell if Jesus knows what will happen would he choose sum of these Priest who touch little boys and do these terrible ****** acts???

 

Thats a big one i never understood, why Jesus would send a POS like a 60yr old man that touches little boys for ****** enjoyment to preach his "word".

Jesus and God do not control what we do, we are not predestined, we have free choice and everyday, every minuite we make a choice that changes what will happen in the future! only in very rare occasions does God, step in a show us a "magic trick"

I feel that those who are in the leadership of the faith are tempted far beyond that of the typical person and the power of "the dark side" is extremely powerful, infact almost as powerful as that of my God. Those leaders make bad decisions and follow the sinful, and sometimes evil ways that hurt so deeply.

May I ask, if there was no religion, no morals laid down by religion that has filtered through the centuries to the morals you have even as a atheist. Why would having *** with a 10 year old be worng? The fact is it wouldn't. It is only wrong because our society dictates it is wrong. Our society used to dictate that men having *** with men was worng. No longer is that so. Maybe we will regress from the traditonal so far that the age of consent will drop over the years so far that 50yrs from now, having *** with a 10 yr old boy will be acceptable.

Does that come across correctly?

 

[CobraStang98 10+ year member]

Having *** with someone that is sooo extremely underaged at that is just taking advantage of their inability to reason and generally decipher right and wrong.

 

It might be a tad bit painful for each party too.

 

I see where ur coming from but society and our current legal systems dictates that an adult LEGALLY cant have *** with someone that is underage. Does it happen all the time?? Yes clearly. Will it ever be socially acceptable that a 60yr old man who is suppose to be a preacher of God's word, uses his influence through religion to louer (sp?) unsuspecting and unwilling children to touch them in a ****** nature..... I would bet my life on it that will never happen.

 

Children are looked at as pure and clearly naive (majority of children) to their surroundings. I just cant stomach the fact that Priests did things like this knowing that they could by using the religion that was supposeably so sacred to them.

 

Also i didnt grow up an atheist, i was raised in a 1/2 christian 1/2 catholic household and did all the way up to my confirmation. At 18yrs old i found out that the priest in my old church i formerly attended (the one that baptised me, etc) through the years had sexually assaulted hundreds of children throughout the 70s and 80s.

 

It made me nearly vomit when i found out someone who i thought was the closest thing to god and was so close with me and my family could do someothing like that.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

This thread sucked badly. Only 30 pages?

 

[Blue Fury 10+ year member]

what the hell is a soul ? i never took an x-ray and seen one b4. and why does all those who believe eat animals/meat?? in the bible wasnt someone trying to save all tha animals??. didnt he knock down some tower the people was building?? for what, once they got so high up they cant live without air they all was going to die anyways... all thats bs.

You pretty much have no understanding of anything about this do you?

In the bible it says something about not eating cloven or hoofed animal. Some take it as they are untouchable, others interpret it as a way to stay away from bacteria and illnesses that man didn't know about back then- such as eating uncooked pork.

Noah saved a bunch of animals on his ark when the Earth was flooded for 40 days. This doesn't mean that their offspring aren't here for us to eat.

You are talking about the Tower of Babel. Someone correct me when I'm wrong because it's been a while since I learned about it.

The people were basically trying to build a tower to reach God but when it got too tall it came crashing down. Do you really think that thousands of years ago, man knew the oxygen content at given elevations?

Rethink or at least search a bit before you make dumb comments.

 

[robinsonjerry 10+ year member]

Man Didnt Know But God Did, He Didnt Have To Knock It Down.people Dont Use Their Brains

 

[robinsonjerry 10+ year member]

Why Do Animals Eat Other Animals?/ Who Do They Pray To . Were All Animals That Will Be Gone Soon . Take Me Now I Wanna Go Where Its Better At

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Having *** with someone that is sooo extremely underaged at that is just taking advantage of their inability to reason and generally decipher right and wrong. 

It might be a tad bit painful for each party too.

 

I see where ur coming from but society and our current legal systems dictates that an adult LEGALLY cant have *** with someone that is underage. Does it happen all the time?? Yes clearly. Will it ever be socially acceptable that a 60yr old man who is suppose to be a preacher of God's word, uses his influence through religion to louer (sp?) unsuspecting and unwilling children to touch them in a ****** nature..... I would bet my life on it that will never happen.

 

Children are looked at as pure and clearly naive (majority of children) to their surroundings. I just cant stomach the fact that Priests did things like this knowing that they could by using the religion that was supposeably so sacred to them.

 

Also i didnt grow up an atheist, i was raised in a 1/2 christian 1/2 catholic household and did all the way up to my confirmation. At 18yrs old i found out that the priest in my old church i formerly attended (the one that baptised me, etc) through the years had sexually assaulted hundreds of children throughout the 70s and 80s.

 

It made me nearly vomit when i found out someone who i thought was the closest thing to god and was so close with me and my family could do someothing like that.

Well, if you look at it this way, not only did Satan get his prize by hurting all those childern and dishonoring a senior in the church, but also, he took one of Gods people away.

Do you realize that your blaming God, the chruch (as a body) and religion for the actions of one very sick ****! (sorry for the language)

Take this loosly, but do you have distane for people who frequent bars, or the people who serve it, because someone dirves drunk and kills little Anna and her mom who were driving home from the movies? I doubt it.

The KKK has bastardized Christianity, and that ********* did the same thing. They both used the word as a tool to get what they (personally) wanted without remorse for who it hurt. They will have a day to think about what they have done, if it doesn't come sooner.

I feel for you, your passionate, and I think I have a little understanding of where your coming from. Please, think deeply and see who is truly to blame!

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

Having *** with someone that is sooo extremely underaged at that is just taking advantage of their inability to reason and generally decipher right and wrong. 

It might be a tad bit painful for each party too.

 

I see where ur coming from but society and our current legal systems dictates that an adult LEGALLY cant have *** with someone that is underage. Does it happen all the time?? Yes clearly. Will it ever be socially acceptable that a 60yr old man who is suppose to be a preacher of God's word, uses his influence through religion to louer (sp?) unsuspecting and unwilling children to touch them in a ****** nature..... I would bet my life on it that will never happen.

 

Children are looked at as pure and clearly naive (majority of children) to their surroundings. I just cant stomach the fact that Priests did things like this knowing that they could by using the religion that was supposeably so sacred to them.

 

Also i didnt grow up an atheist, i was raised in a 1/2 christian 1/2 catholic household and did all the way up to my confirmation. At 18yrs old i found out that the priest in my old church i formerly attended (the one that baptised me, etc) through the years had sexually assaulted hundreds of children throughout the 70s and 80s.

 

It made me nearly vomit when i found out someone who i thought was the closest thing to god and was so close with me and my family could do someothing like that.

We get our basis for our laws from where?

 

[robinsonjerry 10+ year member]

If God Is So Powerful Cant He Stop A Bad Person B4 They Do Somthing Wrong?? But After It Happens You Blame It On The Devil

 

[CobraStang98 10+ year member]

It was far from just ONE sick f*ck.... There are many Priests that have done this, and only in the past 10 years or so we're learning about it. The countless numbers of them that are still praying on children and actively doing this is prolli more than we'd ever like to imagine.

 

The other big thing is why when something goes wrong with anything associated with the church is blamed on the devil?? Why can't just be that the church system f*cked up and isn't always the perfect way.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

If God Is So Powerful Cant He Stop A Bad Person B4 They Do Somthing Wrong?? But After It Happens You Blame It On The Devil

He can, but he doesn't. Why, I can only speculate, and anything I say your going to call BS so we will not go there.

as for blame, we have 2 sides, Good and Evil, we have a choice to do Good (God) or Evil (Devil) the examples that have been given are horrible, taking advantage of young boys is a "Evil" thing. The priest made and "Evil" choice, hence the Devil gets blamed. Would you have me blame God for the evil choice? That is kind of what the other side of this debate is doing.

If we were to talk about the food Mr. X gave to the family down the street along with a check for their back rent payments, would you say that was "Evil" or "Good" in this instance I would say God could have had something to do with that. Maybe not, but could have.

I konw the comparisons are not perfect but thats all that came to mind, it's late:laugh: