Hey Christians

Devildriver: Where do you "believe" you'll go when you kick the bucket?
Do you necessarily have to believe something? Is there something wrong with just being honest with yourself and with others about what you actually know about the world? or the presence of an after world?

 
Devildriver: Where do you "believe" you'll go when you kick the bucket?
The ground. I'm trying to make arrangements so that my corpse is buried directly in the ground (no coffin). Die a part of the earth, and hey, wouldn't it be nice to somehow get fossilized. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
Haven't read a lot of this thread, so forgive me if it's been said before.
But if there really is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being who concerns himself with the affairs of humans.......I'm pretty sure he'll be able to see through bet-hedging //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
I don't believe God intervenes, which makes things like prayer and other symbolic guestures useless. The more I learn, the more my views tend to look like Deists...but I don't know where to go to get accurate research on where that really is.

If God exists, we can only speculate on his demeanor. I am guessing believing for any reason is better than no belief at all. That is how it all "fits" in my mind. I do understand there is some degree of irrationality here....but I am also betting on an AIG rebound in 3rd qtr 09. If you can make a ton of money betting on irrationality, why can't you get to heaven?

I still don't understand why you say not believing is worse. Are we looking at this from the standpoint of a specific religion, or just from general belief in the existence of a god?
General belief in the existence. I wouldn't know where to begin to base an argument for speculation in a particular religion.

The ground. I'm trying to make arrangements so that my corpse is buried directly in the ground (no coffin). Die a part of the earth, and hey, wouldn't it be nice to somehow get fossilized. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
This....regardless of my religious affiliation. Burial in a cement box interrupts the circle of life....haven't these people ever seen the Lion King?

 
General belief in the existence. I wouldn't know where to begin to base an argument for speculation in a particular religion.
My point was essentially that only in dogmatic religion has it been identified that god requires belief; I think to say that there is a potential for a "pay-out" by being religious is a bad assumption, just as bad as assuming that a god who exists (a la the Deist view) will punish non-believers rather than reward inquisitive thought.

A simple supposition: If I were to meet god, I would feel quite comfortable explaining the lack of evidence, and I think the god we typically think of (omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent) would be understanding of that, whereas meeting god as a bet-hedger would probably not work out for you. Regardless, this is simple conjecture with no evidence that I'm using only as an exercise of the mind.

 
My point was essentially that only in dogmatic religion has it been identified that god requires belief; I think to say that there is a potential for a "pay-out" by being religious is a bad assumption, just as bad as assuming that a god who exists (a la the Deist view) will punish non-believers rather than reward inquisitive thought.
A simple supposition: If I were to meet god, I would feel quite comfortable explaining the lack of evidence, and I think the god we typically think of (omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent) would be understanding of that, whereas meeting god as a bet-hedger would probably not work out for you. Regardless, this is simple conjecture with no evidence that I'm using only as an exercise of the mind.
I think you are over-simplifying the case for the hedger. The hedger is using the Christian premise that belief is key to the payoff. I could very well be wrong in my underlying assumption in that God is apathetic to why someone believes, just that he does. There are logical steps to the bet hedger based on that premise. While it is not scientific inquiry, there is reasoning behind the belief. With that said, I readily admit the first step to belief requires some irrationality.

 
since the poster didnt sugar it.

in my opinion, relgion is for the weak minded. needs a superior to guide them. unable to do it by themselves

when things get tough. god will lead me through it.. (???how)

when thigns get tough, i push through that shit mysefl.

 
since the poster didnt sugar it.in my opinion, relgion is for the weak minded. needs a superior to guide them. unable to do it by themselves

when things get tough. god will lead me through it.. (???how)

when thigns get tough, i push through that shit mysefl.
kind of like people are with government....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
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