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Of course Democrats are interested in their own political success just like the Republicans. But when you look at what the two sides say, what they've both done and the policies they support, those are more or less the conclusions I come to. It has nothing to do with the names of either party. I have no inherit biases to either party.
LOL! Yep, when I think of you, I hink of a guy who has no inherent bias to either party. You are amazingly delusional.

As for looking at what both parties have done, this discussion, before you arrived, was about the corruption and ineptitude of BOTH parties. But you refuse to let Democrats be badmouthed equally with Republicans. YOU changed this into a partisan debate, nobody else. So keep your "Im not biased towards either party" and "lets look at what both sides have done" nonsense to yourself, or admit you are a Democratic lap dog. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif

 
So making 100% less profit is better than making 10% less profit? Better than making 1% less profit? Just like I'm sure rich people would rather only make $50k and year and be taxes 20% than making $500k a year and be taxed 50%.
And go read my other posts to address your "payroll will decrease" stigma. Actually, I'll just paste them for you.

Businesses only hire to serve their demand, if demand doesn't go down, employment won't go down. There may be some pseudo effects of taxation on employment, but that's really only lag from a change in demand or over-hiring anyway.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Its not like I was saying a company owner will not risk his own profit/wealth by investing into a business if his potential return on investment is only 10%. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif
Businesses hire to turn a profit, not to fill a demand in the market. Typical socialist mentality. Demand is merely their potential to turn that profit. If you remove a company's, or owner's, ability to turn a profit, you remove the company, or owner's, desire to risk expansion. Its really just that simple, which is why you continually avoid that point.

 
its always been about ethics used to reach said profits.
Correct, that's what this discussion was about before Prox showed up to derail it with his partisan bickering and biased viewpoint... ethics. Republicans and Democrats are both, on the whole, unethical entities that do whatever they have to to remain in business (get re-elected) and turn as high a profit as possible for themselves. Not unlike a business, except the politician isn't suppose to be in Congress to look out for their own interests like a company does.

Dont worry, prox will be back to inform us that Democrats shouldn't be badmouthed, because, from his perspective, Republicans are worse. The 'lesser of two evils' mentality I mentioned long ago in this thread.

 
both do wrong, like Nas says "who you gon' believe, satan or satan."
but all the bipartisan shiz is to confuse and split the public, politicians at the end of the day ALWAYS get their money

I think you mean partisan, not bipartisan. And yes, that's what we were discussing before Prox came into this thread, how each side gets their base to believe the other side is satan himself, so their expectations for their own side become so low that they accept the ineptitude and corruption. 'Hey our side sucks, but at least we aren't as bad as the other side of the aisle.' As smart as Prox thinks he is, he's been duped into this mentality hook, line, and sinker. When trying to discuss the shortcomings of our govt, he is so brainwashed that he wont even allow a discussion that blames both sides, only Republicans. Sadly, this is not uncommon these days. The over-the-top delusion in his replies is his claim that he is not biased to one side or the other.

 
You claimed 100% tax rates would not hurt employment. Congrats, you've (almost) successfully admitted you were wrong without admitting anything.
Higher profits means more power to increase expansion. You're "lets share all the wealth equally" liberal mentality precludes you from understanding this.

Yes, tax rates are progressive, so what? Once you enter the top tax bracket, such as the people in the top 2% you are so angry about reside in, ALL additional profit is at that 90% tax rate.

Actually, if you'd read my link showing the adjusted median income, you';d see it has increased about 10% since the 70's, not 1%. Again you make up numbers to try and support your theories, and hope nobody notices. I always notice, yet you continue to try and slip your bogus statistics past me.

So the truth finally comes out, you are just mad because your income bracket has experienced growth in the past 30 years, but you are mad because the highest income levels have increased MORE than yours. Socialism shrouded in a one-sided view of what is fair.
In the real world, of course 100% taxes would ruin the economy. I used 100% tax for the point that taxes do not affect the ABILITY to hire. Of course a 100% tax would kill any motivation, but a company will still be financially able to hire people, ignoring the fact that at 100% tax the business would not exist. Do you get what I'm saying?

You're technically right, but I'm skeptical of the real world effects. You know why? Because taxes have been dropping for 30 years and our economy is getting worse.

Any 90% tax rate would be on an enormous income, like over $1 million. So if all of your income over $1,000,000 was taxed at 90% (which I'm still under the assumption I never said I was in favor of), how horrible would that be for you. You might as well be poor! I'm sure they'd rather be poor than have their income over $1 million be taxed at 90%.

Yes it has increased ON AVERAGE FOR EVERYONE. But 80% of the gains went to the top 2%. Why is this so hard for you to understand? does you conservative "I don't care about anyone but myself" mentality preclude you from understanding this? Let me give you an example. If there are 10 people to whom I give $50 every week, I give everyone an average of $50 a week. But let's say I give two people an extra $50 per week, that means the average went up to $60! But the other 8 people are still at $50 per week. But the average went up? How is this possible?!?

It's not just more than mine. It's more than 80% of Americans, and it's at their expense. I don't think that's fair. But obviously, jealous is the best argument you can come up with.

LOL! Yep, when I think of you, I hink of a guy who has no inherent bias to either party. You are amazingly delusional.
As for looking at what both parties have done, this discussion, before you arrived, was about the corruption and ineptitude of BOTH parties. But you refuse to let Democrats be badmouthed equally with Republicans. YOU changed this into a partisan debate, nobody else. So keep your "Im not biased towards either party" and "lets look at what both sides have done" nonsense to yourself, or admit you are a Democratic lap dog. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wave.gif.002382ce7d7c19757ab945cc69819de1.gif
I like the Democrats, that's no secret. But it isn't because of an inherit (do you know what inherit means?) bias I have for them, it's because I agree with their economic policies. Actually, that's a little vague. It's because their economic policies actually benefit people in this country.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Its not like I was saying a company owner will not risk his own profit/wealth by investing into a business if his potential return on investment is only 10%. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif
Okay, so you had a great straw man argument. Because I'm pretty sure that I never said I want his investment return to be only 10%.

Businesses hire to turn a profit, not to fill a demand in the market.
They fill the demand to create a profit. Employees are required to serve the demand. Employees are required to create a profit. Less employees = less profit as less customers are able to be served.

Case in point, if a company is firing people, it's not because of tax increases, it's because of drops in demand. If there is an apparent effect on lay offs because of a tax increase, it's because the business was over employed anyway.

Typical socialist mentality. Demand is merely their potential to turn that profit. If you remove a company's, or owner's, ability to turn a profit, you remove the company, or owner's, desire to risk expansion. Its really just that simple, which is why you continually avoid that point.
Because if a business isn't expanding, it doesn't exist. That is why every single business you ever see ever is closed for renovation.

 
Correct, that's what this discussion was about before Prox showed up to derail it with his partisan bickering and biased viewpoint... ethics. Republicans and Democrats are both, on the whole, unethical entities that do whatever they have to to remain in business (get re-elected) and turn as high a profit as possible for themselves. Not unlike a business, except the politician isn't suppose to be in Congress to look out for their own interests like a company does.
Dont worry, prox will be back to inform us that Democrats shouldn't be badmouthed, because, from his perspective, Republicans are worse. The 'lesser of two evils' mentality I mentioned long ago in this thread.
Do you purposely ignore everything I say or are you just a complete fucking idiot?

Like I ask before, do you even acknowledge that there are policy differences between the two parties?

 
Do you purposely ignore everything I say or are you just a complete fucking idiot?

Like I ask before, do you even acknowledge that there are policy differences between the two parties?
of course there are differences, the point that was in this thread when it started is the simple fact that both parties line their pockets first then run the country second.

part of the reason thing political office should be a minimum wage job. then we wouldnt have the issue of people doing it to get rich. the people in office would actually be doing it because they care about the country.

 
of course there are differences, the point that was in this thread when it started is the simple fact that both parties line their pockets first then run the country second.
Well, I don't think it's as corrupt as you seem to make it out, but doesn't what they do second matter as well? Of course all the decisions aren't perfect, but look at all the progress this country has made in the past 100 years (even if it goes against your "principles") and look at what party was behind it.

I mean, how do all those consumer protections in the healthcare bill line the pockets of Obama or the Democrats? ****, they paid a huge political price for it (the past elections) but they did it anyway because they knew it was right for the country. It could have been a lot better with the public option, but again, look at which party didn't let the public option even stand a chance.

part of the reason thing political office should be a minimum wage job. then we wouldnt have the issue of people doing it to get rich. the people in office would actually be doing it because they care about the country.
I think minimum wage is extreme, but you could be onto something. Good luck getting them to change that though.

 
Well, I don't think it's as corrupt as you seem to make it out, but doesn't what they do second matter as well? Of course all the decisions aren't perfect, but look at all the progress this country has made in the past 100 years (even if it goes against your "principles") and look at what party was behind it.
I mean, how do all those consumer protections in the healthcare bill line the pockets of Obama or the Democrats? ****, they paid a huge political price for it (the past elections) but they did it anyway because they knew it was right for the country.

I think minimum wage is extreme, but you could be onto something. Good luck getting them to change that though.
im not saying that what comes second doesnt matter, but they are put in place to run the country and that should be the first priority of all of them, not what comes second.

and i know the pay cuts would never happen, but it would make a big difference in how things work.

 
And furthermore, it wasn't the Democrats who risked the government shutting down (which is what this thread was about). It was because the Republicans wanted to cut funding for planned parent, because 3% of what they do is abortions. And the Republicans are supposed to be the ones who want government out of people's lives "on principle" but they're so gung-ho about restricting a woman's private choice to get an abortion? how can anyone take these people seriously.

Scott Walker in Wisconsin trying to strip collective bargaining "for the budget" even though it has zero effect on the current budget? Bullshit, all he's doing is trying to hurt the Democrat party as unions are the biggest supporters of Democrats.

Show me such flagrant, fundamental hypocrisies from the Democratic party.

 
im not saying that what comes second doesnt matter, but they are put in place to run the country and that should be the first priority of all of them, not what comes second.
audioholic is going to have a hemorrhoid over this, but when it comes to the Democrats, I think it does come first.

And again, that opinion doesn't come from an inherit bias for the democratic party, but look at the policies and history of each party. Conservative policies only benefit the rich. Liberal policies help everyone.

 
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