Government Shutdown

Since payroll is 100% deductible, having a 25-30%+ operating increase, in the form of taxes, will not affect current jobs or new job creation? Surrrrre... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Do you know what tax deductible means...? Taxes could be 100% and businesses could still hire as many people as they need. Taxes are, essentially, only on profits. god I've probably said this a million times on this forum. How can people pretend to have opinions without even understanding how the government works.

Its all BS in the end.
No, it isn't. Sure, it's a lot of bickering, but it's over policy that matters. What party just passed historic healthcare legislation that gives rights to consumers that were otherwise being fucked by insurance companies? What party just nearly shut down the government over abortions? What party passed the two social programs that substantially elevated the living standard for an enormous amount of seniors? What party deregulated the financial industry which led to this entire economic mess we are in. What party got us through the great depression? What party gave millionaires enormous tax cuts that partially led to this debt crisis we are currently in? What party last gave us a surplus? What party widdled that away? What party gave substantial rights to working people? What party is trying to take those rights away at the state level? What party outlawed child labor?

There is absolutely a lot of bickering and gridlock in the government, but it's not because people are too partisan. It's because people try to hard to be bipartisan. They're either too stupid or too lazy to critically compare the two parties, their respective policies and what they have done so they either say they're both horrible and don't vote or they think there is a virtue in having a divided government.

Audioholic will just say that I'm being partisan again. Well, I am, and I proudly admit it. There is nothing wrong with being partisan, there is a problem with not being rational, critical and objective. Being bipartisan isn't being objective. Being partisan isn't being subjective. If one party is wrong, and the other is right, then there is no value in being bipartisan. If one party says that the world is flat and the other says that the earth is round, is it bad to say that one party is wrong? Is that being too partisan?

And unfortunately, it's impossible for our politicians to be bipartisan because the two parties want substantially different things. Democrats want to use government and a medium to raise the living standards for all people. Republicans want to say "**** you you're on your own" with their "free market principles" (which are more lies) and the like. The two are not reconcilable.

But audiolife, the psychic, knows that I only say these things because I have some democratic bias, even though my family owns a large restaurant and is heavily republican. Even though, like I've told him before, before I actually started to pay attention to politics and critically compared the republicans and democrats, I liked the republicans more, for no other reason that my family does. In fact, when I learned about FDR in 8th grade, I remember being disappointed he was a democrat.

 
Because you're taking away my GLORY.
Oh, and I'm perennially madbro at Republicans for ruining my country. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
Repetition is boring. I said both of those things about you at the beginning of this conversation. Glad to see you finally coming around though.

I bet being called a Democratic fanboy still gets your panties bunched though. Baby steps...

 
I'm trying really hard to figure out what that censored word is.

 

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******?

 

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No.

 
I'm trying really hard to figure out what that censored word is. 

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******?

 

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No.
That's because you were desperately hovering for my reply, and read it before I spent the extra 10 seconds fixing the censor. I bet you have an ******** right now. lol

 

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And by ********, I mean erection.

 
Your mom has an ********.

 

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Jesus christ is anything not censored on this website?

 
Proximity, I'm not going to waste a bunch of time picking apart what you said. I will say that I agree with some of your points about what each party stands for. I agree that there once was a surplus of money, and the government was run in a financially stable/responsible manner. (Clinton era)

Owning a small business (restaurant), you should know that taxing your profits cuts from your bottom line. In your business, you might have a lot of write-offs. You have food, cooking supplies, materials. In some Service businesses, there are very little materials or equipment to write-off. Therefore, in a service related industry, there is an underlying tax on the bottom line. You have a choice of passing the costs to your customer or losing to a competitor.

A consultant, lawyer, repair man, etc all feel the affects of an "income" tax raise, if you want to call it that.

 
i only have one question, where was anyone talking anything about policy or who was wrong and who was right before proximity drug his ass in here
I started crying when I saw you underlined ass. That really hurt me, bro. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

And yes, you were talking about policy. You said both parties are equally horrible. I came in to correct you.

 
wtf does it matter if payroll is pre tax or not? my company takes in $250k and i have a $50k payroll and pay $50k in taxes. so if pre tax hike i end up with $150kish sweet. i am going to still take home that 150k even after they raise taxes. so now, i start with $250k, Taxed $75k, payroll only getting $25k. see where im going

 
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