GM exiting bankruptcy

[bigaudiofanati2 10+ year member]

we're talking ford, or at least i am. your quote even said "ford ftw".
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LOL true but I am quoting yours about wanting to help japan out. I have had and seen trouble with ford as well.

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

LOL true but I am quoting yours about wanting to help japan out. I have had and seen trouble with ford as well.

esplain.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Read an article a while ago that YoY, Ford's sales decreased the least, even compared to foreign automakers...not sure if it has been posted.

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

And likewise yours is obviously bias toward anti American. However, he is at least fighting his case with verifiable sources.

I own a Mercury Grand Marquis, so my biased must be broken. His sources are legit, but his interpretation to what they mean is not. There is a reason these companies took a shit, and it's because their cars for the most part ****.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Oh I am all for helping the American population with jobs and all. BUT when a crappy car company that makes non reliable cars and asks for had outs I laugh. If they were making good reliable cars that ran for years and years without having to have repairs done than I am all for helping them out. Today people are watching there money very cautiously and there not going to want to throw there money into a money pit like GM. But until I see a GM product that is as reliable as my civics than I don't want to hear it.

There you go again spouting off with bullshit. This is not true.

Ranking Change Nameplate Problems Per 100 Vehicles

1 - Porsche 87

2 +7 Infiniti 98

3 -1 Lexus 99

4 +1 Mercedes-Benz 104

(tie) +2 Toyota 104

6 +2 Mercury 109

7 -3 Honda 110

8 +2 Ford 112

(tie) -2 Jaguar 112

10 +16 Audi 113

(tie) +15 Cadillac 113

(tie) +5 Chevrolet 113

13 -1 Hyundai 114

(tie) +8 Pontiac 114

15 -12 Lincoln 115

16 -2 Buick 118

Industry Average 118

17 - Acura 119

(tie) -5 Kia 119

19 - Nissan 124

(tie) -4 Volvo 124

21 - BMW 126

22 -4 GMC 127

(tie) +12 Mazda 127

24 +7 Volkswagen 128

25 +8 Hummer 132

26 -5 Subaru 133

27 -16 Scion 138

28 +2 Dodge 141

29 -2 Chrysler 142

30 -1 Mitsubishi 149

(tie) -10 Saab 149

32 -4 Suzuki 152

33 -14 Saturn 157

34 +1 Land Rover 161

35 n/a Mini 163

36 -4 Jeep 167

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/2008-jd-power-rankings-released/

Yes I'm biased quoting JD Power, a California based publication and one of the most trusted sources in this category

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I own a Mercury Grand Marquis, so my biased must be broken. His sources are legit, but his interpretation to what they mean is not. There is a reason these companies took a shit, and it's because their cars for the most part ****.

I guess my interpretation of a top 10 list that has 3 American cars as the top is wrong. Toyota also took a shit and received government money (Japan) but we don't talk about that.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Read an article a while ago that YoY, Ford's sales decreased the least, even compared to foreign automakers...not sure if it has been posted.

Yes I read it to, but it was in the Detroit Free Press so it's biased.

 

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

That list doesn't mean much. For one it doesn't say what the problems are. Two, when you have a problem with a Honda, their customer service is top knotch. My Mom's Civic dumped the ****** 10k miles past the warranty, and Honda paid for EVERYTHING.

So what is the point of this thread? What are you even debating?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Yes I read it to, but it was in the Detroit Free Press so it's biased.

I read it somewhere else....a financial magazine...I think BusinessWeek.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I own a Mercury Grand Marquis, so my biased must be broken. His sources are legit, but his interpretation to what they mean is not. There is a reason these companies took a shit, and it's because their cars for the most part ****.

Wrong for the most part. Sales slumped, but the kicker was legacy costs and mismanagement through the years that are biting them in the *** now. Not the quality or lack theirof in cars. Other mfgs aren't as burden by the slow down. Their cars being good or bad is hardly the reason for their demise. If it plays any role it is a very minute one.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That list doesn't mean much. For one it doesn't say what the problems are. Two, when you have a problem with a Honda, their customer service is top knotch. My Mom's Civic dumped the ****** 10k miles past the warranty, and Honda paid for EVERYTHING.
So what is the point of this thread?

There is a lot of difficulty in measuring that since customer service, as that ranges from dealership to dealership and manager to manager. I am sure somewhere, a Ford customer was given similar service and a Honda customer was told to STFU, GTFO and GDIAF.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

That list doesn't mean much. For one it doesn't say what the problems are. Two, when you have a problem with a Honda, their customer service is top knotch. My Mom's Civic dumped the ****** 10k miles past the warranty, and Honda paid for EVERYTHING.
So what is the point of this thread? What are you even debating?

OK then if it doesnt say the problems, what makes you the expert that says the problems were more severe even if less frequent?

It is a valid point unless you can SHOW otherwise you pompous prick.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

There is a lot of difficulty in measuring that since customer service, as that ranges from dealership to dealership and manager to manager. I am sure somewhere, a Ford customer was given similar service and a Honda customer was told to STFU, GTFO and GDIAF.

NO WAI

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I read it somewhere else....a financial magazine...I think BusinessWeek.

Is BusinessWeek located in Detroit?

 

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

That list doesn't mean much. For one it doesn't say what the problems are. Two, when you have a problem with a Honda, their customer service is top knotch. My Mom's Civic dumped the ****** 10k miles past the warranty, and Honda paid for EVERYTHING.
So what is the point of this thread? What are you even debating?

But isn't that what warranties are for?