Giving the RE XXX another Try *Pic*

frequency is directly related to acceleration.. speed of sound is linear its acceleration/volociety is relative to frequency.. motor strength(QE/bl/re) not only means lowered output but it also indicates usable bandwidth.. inertia, and mass does affect drivers..if it didn't you could travel faster than light no matter you mass.. inductance affects woofer now in days because they run @ low loads which result in lower DF and increased emf..
Cone velocity does not dictate frequency. It does however affect output as its related to excursion for a given frequency. If mass affected velocity which affect frequency, then two different subs fed a 50hz signal (for example) would output two different frequencies based on their mms difference, which we know is not the case.
In other words, both subs would still vibrate at 50 cycles, but the mms would affect velocity which would affect ability for cone travel (excursion) for that 50 cycles per second.

 
Quit gaying this thread up. I love it when people start throwing equations around like that proves anything further beyond real world testing.
Yes, lets all throw random woofers in our cars based on the current popular brand of the month. That way we have no idea what effect any of the T/S parameters have on the sound and can simply be sheep who buy stuff based on magnet size and how many spiders they can through on the thing. Speakers are a machine, the are enginnered, physics helps. You want a sub that can play high, I'd rather be able to look at published T/S parameters and take a very educated guess vs throwing something in my car and hoping it works out, especially since everyone has a different car, which makes a huge difference in the validity of the antecdotal evidence. I got a buddy with a CRX who swears by audiopipes low end woofers as they are louder than my car and he only has 2 12's and I have two 15's. Too bad I'm in a ****ing cadillac eldorado and he's in a car that would register a fart at 155. Real world testing is garbage unless you have the ability to read the data properly and make actual changes to your design that will fix the issues. Without physics your shooting in the dark either way.

 
Quit gaying this thread up. I love it when people start throwing equations around like that proves anything further beyond real world testing.
Spoken like a noob who doesn't understand the intricacies of how a speaker operates beyond 'it goes boom like so'. If you cant add to the conversation, try learning so maybe next time you can.

 
It's funny because you guys are doing math equations over here, while tuan has probably built 10 different boxes for this, and actually listened to it. Meanwhile you ***** are punching out on your calculator what sounds good. LOL

 
It's funny because you guys are doing math equations over here, while tuan has probably built 10 different boxes for this, and actually listened to it. Meanwhile you ***** are punching out on your calculator what sounds good. LOL
Nice try. Tuan will not support your theory that math equations play no role in understanding performance. You think speaker designers just randomly throw parts together and test until they get the performance they are looking for? Seriously, you are in over your head here, just sit down, read more, and type less. Your domain is the t-dome, not threads like this.
Cheers.

 
high frequency extention depends on every aspect of the install..

the XXX needs such a large box because of the lack there of efficency.. high frequency doesn't rely on xmax as low frequency.. motor strength/QE work in conjunction with mechanical damping to alter bandwidth efficency..

hence you see tweeters with high q/high fs.. the high q offers opposition to resonance with the lighter mms results in increased efficency..

funny how mms in mids/tweeters are considered important..

 
Nice try. Tuan will not support your theory that math equations play no role in understanding performance. You think speaker designers just randomly throw parts together and test until they get the performance they are looking for? Seriously, you are in over your head here, just sit down, read more, and type less. Your domain is the t-dome, not threads like this.
Cheers.

You keep reading on, but don't have any real world experience. You're debating a guy that has more knowledge than you, or probably anyone on this forum for that matter, that his sub should sound good because your calculator says so.

 
Glad you mentioned F=m*A, it's, good basic physics and dan uses it to prove you wrong. Look at dan wiggins article on debunking the BL/MMS, he wrote it YEARS ago. http://web.archive.org/web/20010810141852/lambdacoustics.com/library/whitepapers/bl_mms.htm
or

http://stereointegrity.com/docs/WooferSpeed.pdf

If by transient response we mean upper frequency extension then inductance is the key player, not BL/MSS. Effeciency does drop as a result of the higher MMS, but considering the actual design goals of the XXX as I outlined above, that's not a bad thing as the FS drops as well. You can use very large coils and get very high BL products as result.
inductance is can be controlled by raising DF and lowering back emf.

just as mms is accounted for with more motor strength and stiffer suspensions ....

holic..i was smokin, haha.. acceleration affects frequency response.. higher acceleration means speed is reached faster.

 
as for as dans paper you have to many varibles that changed.. fs and qe need be identical... adding mass lowers motor strength which increases PC etc...

i do agree inductance does affect frequency response, so does capaitance.. simply put inertia affects mechanical dampning..

it this wheren't true enclosure Q and port Q wouldn't dictate frequence response..

id never measure frequency response freeair with 5 watts unless that was its intended application...

 
inductance is can be controlled by raising DF and lowering back emf.just as mms is accounted for with more motor strength and stiffer suspensions ....

holic..i was smokin, haha.. acceleration affects frequency response.. higher acceleration means speed is reached faster.
Damping factor relies on the impedence of the sub as well as the amps output impedence. If the subs impedence is constantly shifting the overall systems DF is adversely effected. keeping the amp with a stable ouput impedence is relatively easy, getting the sub to do the same isn't. The general solution is still usually shorting rings which keep both the inductance low as well as the inductance variation with stroke. I'll concede though that many drivers show a very low inductance that doesn't stay that way once the coil begins to move. Keeping the variation as well as the overall inductance low is important. variation even moreso, which is why FEA is important even with rings added. No sense in getting inducantace down to .25 if it jumps to 2.28mh once the speakers breaks 9mm excursion. I agree wholeheartedly with your measurement analysis, unless the speakers going to be babied you need to see what the thing looks like with a large signal applied to it.

 
You keep reading on, but don't have any real world experience.
Just goes to show how readily you will talk about things you know nothing about. Unless you are much older than you act, I was experimenting with enclosures for subs when you were still playing with Lego's. Have a nice night.
 
Passes time here. Think of it this way. I get paid.... to make you pissed off. I know you're probably extremely sexually frustrated being a 36 year old virgin in all, but you really need to lay off the uptight pills homie. What are you doing discussing audio anyway? Don't you normally just go around correcting 16 year olds grammar on here most of the time?

 
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