For all those who hate Alping going to BB............

[JAZN 5,000+ posts]

im sorry but ur one employee at one store. ok so u saw BB stats from a regional manager. did he also provide u with key demographics? is that how u got ur accurate portrayal or naive people, border jumpers, teens, and experts? ur making a complete generalization for an entire corporation.

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

I install for CC...and i agree and disagree. IMO alpine is going to crap anyway, all the new decks have 2V preouts except the 9855. wtf is the deal with that. Yes they will still make a bunch of money because best buy is more popular, but just like Rockford did as soon as they went to best buy, theyre not getting better. The displays all look nice but thats about it, nothing special from all the 9811-9815 series decks. As far as us going under at any time...i dunno about that. I would have agreed with you but now were getting DEI alarms back, getting Kicker, and rumors of other nice deck companies which I wont name because theyre just rumors right now.My .02

Kevin

I will fully agree with you Kevin.....very respectable answer ty. And whats everyone getting so uptight about? Never once did i say that Alpine will make no money at all by going to BB.....certainly they will make money by going to BB......I'm simply trying to get across that Alpine will not make as much as everyone (consumers) think they will. I apologize for saying Alpine dosn't know what there doing, they know what there doing, I know they have a lot of smart people. It's a great strategic move for them and Im happy to know if I want an Alpine i can get it for a discounted price now! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

As far as bcarpenterfhl......sorry to blow up on you.....but look at it this way. You say Alpine is great, people will see that they are expensive, and they will buy them cause they will think there the best. OK lets put this in effect?

Solo X is $1,000......is it the best cause its on expenisve *** sub.....no

Alpine Pulsetouch is $1500.....not the best for the money....not many people have em

Not everyone has these cause there just too expensive. No hard feelings im just tryin to help you understand.

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

im sorry but ur one employee at one store. ok so u saw BB stats from a regional manager. did he also provide u with key demographics? is that how u got ur accurate portrayal or naive people, border jumpers, teens, and experts? ur making a complete generalization for an entire corporation.

True Demographics are very important.....but if you look at a map with postions of each BB in the country are you telling me that you couldnt decide the demographics for at least half of the stores? Im talkin more averages.....your lookin for specific numbers which is very difficult for anyone to acquire immediately.

Besides....how can an entire corporation generalize naive people and experts....I dont see how this is possible considering most of it is bent on personality. As far as teens and border jumpers yes they could definately find this out. If a corporation cant generalize two types they ask the employees. When you work at BB you are constantly given surveys so the coportation can get ideas that they can not see. And every employee is required to take these surveys, it is not an optional thing.

All in all I am enjoying debating this with you JAZN

 

[desi_daru 10+ year member]

Another factor is the "South of the Border" or the infamous "Border Jumpers" factor. Half of the people who walk into this department are latino who barely speak any english. They look for 2 things: Cheap shit and Sony. Why Sony??? Because Sony makes everything and they believe these are good. Throughout my whole career at BB, The only to types of decks I sold to latinos were Dual and Sony. Latinos look for cosmetics......Sony has these cosmetics......Alpine will not. So I can not forsee any Latino buying an Alpine.

so ur documents from ur uncle show that "latinos" only buy dual and sony throughout the country? or do u think this because at 1 store it happens so its like that everywhere elese????

also because some1 doesnt speak english doenst mean they look for 2 things, cheap and sony, ur post is kind of derogatory towards latinos. and no im not latino

1 last thing how can u say u can not forsee any latino buying an alpine?? kinda bo'shit comment is that?

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

^^^what i last said

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

Not trying to be derogatory towards latinos. i cant complaain with them cause they are huge business for our store. Wasnt sure how else to word it

 

[desi_daru 10+ year member]

why word it at all??? do these surveys u take ask wat kinda races buy wat kinda products?

2 me there was no point in mentioning latinos will never buy alpine, im just curious as 2 where u got those stats from, as ur statin this is all fact not fiction

 

[pico 10+ year member]

how come all the latinos have to be border hoppers? im mexican and i never had to hop the border. many of us were born here you know. and im not sure of the numbers but how many latinos can there be in Illinoise.

 

[redmaro 10+ year member]

So you are saying latinos dont buy alpine gear. Not to be racist or anything but most of the people driving around here with systems are latinos and yes some of them dont know shit about car audio but most of them do. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[redmaro 10+ year member]

And yes I am Mexican and I have bought Alpine gear, and not because of the looks or because there products are cheap or expensive its because I like there products. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

Actually........most of the BB surveys are this way unfortunately and they ask some fukd up questions. And as a matter a fact some of them do ask what race buys certain products. You can't imagine how cocky these corporate people from BB are and I dont understand how they get away with the things they do.

Pico, I work in Aurora, IL.....Aurora Illinois has the most illegals throughout the entire country according to Immigration reports. So I dont understand why im not allowed to make a generalization in this case?

But nah im not trying to be racist just a generalization.

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

Sorry man I was a Manager at best buy for 1.5 years and helped build / wire many stores while working overnights as a red. I was also moved through the ranks quicker than anyone in the local 9 store area at that time, and am still friends with allot of managers at our local 243 store. I was lead salesman and received numerous awards and trips all over the us so I know all aspects of sales at BB //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif "honking own horn"

Sorry but most of your logic is for the most part bs. While some points are valid like people bying flashy stuff it also depends on if your store is located in the ghetto and people are broke. At the several locations I worked at the majority of people were educated school kids and men in there late 20's. I saw many of them choose decks that were classy or matched there cars interiors as long as they had the features they needed also.

I see Alpine making a big hit in this market and the main reason they went to 2V is because 4V is definitly not a necessity especially with todays newer cars and electrical systems, noise issues are virtually gone. Most likley they saw this as a way to cut production cost, just like they did not see a real need to implement a monster internal amp again like the 26wrms power ic in the 04 units.

I really give them props, Instead of keeping there prices the same and dropping features like most they decided to lower it for the customer as well which is awsome of them. For a cheap $130 you can get a nice lower end alpine that plays MP3's and looks like a million bucks, heck my bro Kris thought I paid $250+ for my girls 9843, he was so shocked he could now afford an alpine he had me order him one as well, and the best part is the cheap deck is 100% alpine quality, looks and feel. Alpine is consumer smart and caters to a certain kind of car audio guy, Most people I know that are not into car audio simply do not think they can afford an Alpine deck, just like they think Eclipse is out of there range because they either do not have a local high end audio salon or retailer. Sales will rise with the BB contract and alpine will become more common in everyday stereo's just like jvc or sony because people will realize that they can also own a classy high end name brand. Alpines high end units will remain high end and for those audio pro's like most of us, will as always pay for those features and alpine will probably always make high end decks that are out of reach for most except the dedicated, while deck and 4 guys will buy the bottom / mid range units from BB which is fine.

I own a beautiful 9835 and a 2005 bottom end 9843 and love both of them. Especially the 9843 for all of its features and tiny price tag. I do not see alpine making bling bling ghetto flashy decks anytime soon and I will eat my words if it happens, but they toyed with that idea in the JDM decks for years and stopped. They also tried to toy with it again in the usa via the 9833 "the dancing orb" which did not fare well sales wise "no offence 9833 owners"

 

[JAZN 5,000+ posts]

go ahead an make all the claims you want, but we'd like to keep this a decent forum without the racial slurs.

 

[pico 10+ year member]

if immigration knows about all these illegals there cant be that many. i mean think about it if they know then they have apparently caught alot of them there. i could be wrong but i would think a place where immigration hasnt caught to many but everyone knows theyre there would have many more. like L.A. or Calexico(a city right above the border). thats just my thoughts

 

[AsK 5109 10+ year member]

desert heat do u still work at BB?????