FI Subwoofers VS JL w7/mtx9500

if those are what you had and like the w7 for the sound of it try the IDmax you will love it. those are great and well built. I had fi bls and the output was very good nd sounded ok I just didn't like them enough to keep them. very well built and for most people that want to get loud and sound pretty good definitely a good buy. I have heard a few Q's now and would still rather go ID if you have the few extra bucks.

 
Ive owned and or listened to every single woofers mentioned in this thread.

To start it out, i went from a w7 to the idmax, the w7 was hands down the best sounding loud subwoofer i have ever owned. It was loud as piss (for my tastes) and still sounded good while doing it. The idmax is a better sounding sub, however will not satisfy someone who wants "tons" of bass.

Now the BTL, very loud but sounds like dog shit, im sorry it really does. The mtx is a mix gets loud but for the price i would pick an idmax over it anyday as the output is comparable and the quality of the idmax far surpasses that of the MTX.

 
Now the BTL, very loud but sounds like dog shit, im sorry it really does.
Totally dependent on the loose nut behind the controls //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I don't have a issue making them sound great...and yes i do know what 'sounding good' is..very well versed in the pro sound field as well as a sq car or two with one of those world championship thingers...

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how much cash is getting dropped on subs? i have the mtx 9500 and the type x.

the mtx was probably just a bit louder but the cleanliness of the type x kills anything the mtx had going. never worked with the FI subs, or the JL w7.

 
What exactly is that?



IMO real world daily driving environments include:

-road and engine noise , more so with windows down

-rattles ranging from a few panels to everything in the car making lots of unwanted noise

-every cars acoustics being different thus dealing with peaky frequencies (sealed boxes reduce but don't completely eliminate these peaks).

-other elements of the install that aren't perfect, thus causing some kind of unwanted acoustic result.

as much as we enthusiast try sometimes we cant get everything perfect every time. then take a person who isn't as dedicated to getting every last detail double checked. cancellation, improper tuning, a less than optimal box quality can happen. IMO if you're really dedicated to your hobby and install or you pay alot of money for it, you can get most elements of the install optimal. I think the average person looking for some bump cant tell much of a difference between 1% and 5% distortion on a sub stage, especially with the road noise etc....

Ive used many many subs of different calibers. Even with all elements of the install **** near perfect, there's not much of a noticeable difference in sub stage sound quality between my btl / 3hp-mt hybrid / 4hp / destroyer/ mt / 9512g, in a well designed low tuned ported box compared to other SQL oriented subs with respective setups. Ive heard w6v2's and w7's in both shitty and optimal setups and to my ear the "sq" difference to my btl in a great setup is barely noticeable IMO. When playing the btl well under it mechanical limit to be more on the dB level of these w6's and w7's, its pretty much all the same. Even at full tilt my btl sounds pretty **** clean on every note. The "dog shit" sound described to you previously was probably in an install that was poorly done or the btl was in a fartbox...and there's a reason we call them fartboxes.

Anything can sound good with the right setup
This is the point i'm trying to get at. Unless you're a total SQ nut most of the time if you do the install right the first time, it'll sound great and you don't need expensive name brand shit to do so. granted it helps having nice equipment, but no one can sit here and say this sounds good always or this sounds bad always since every car, every box, and every install is different.

In my experience you'll be amazed how nice you can make equipment sound that you would normally not expect to sound nice. Even my stock HU and speakers sound great with a few tweaks of the 3 band eq and some bass blocker caps for the speakers. Yes i've used equipment that has sounded better, but there's a lot of work that goes into marginal SQ difference aside from the equipment being used. its just not as simple as woofer x will always sound better than woofer y.

if im wrong. crucify me

 
i noticed with my 10w7 that it was VERY picky as to the box it was in. i found a design that really worked out great. the thing sounds good and actually gets very loud doing so but my dd2510 pwns it in the loudness area and has good sq as well.

imo, if i were going to go sq only, i would use something from the w6v2 line up. imo thoes w6v2's are hard to beat in the sq depo.

 
i noticed with my 10w7 that it was VERY picky as to the box it was in. i found a design that really worked out great. the thing sounds good and actually gets very loud doing so but my dd2510 pwns it in the loudness area and has good sq as well. imo, if i were going to go sq only, i would use something from the w6v2 line up. imo thoes w6v2's are hard to beat in the sq depo.
I agree with the w6v2 series for SQ. My cousin has a 13w7 ported and he likes it for the pounding bass, but I prefer my 13w6v2 sealed for smooth sound.

Also, I am just running an old entry level dd1010 in my other vehicle and I find the SQ on it isn't that bad for a SPL subwoofer. It doesn't play as deep as my 10w3v2s did ported, but, I also have trunk space with one 10 in a 1 cubic foot net tuned to 35 Hz versus a pair of 10s in 2.5 cubic feet net tuned to 34 Hz.

We can argue till we are blue in the face about which is "better" but it all depends on what you want. For SPL, there are better subwoofers than JL Audio. For SQ, the JL Audio w6v2 series is pretty hard to beat BUT you can still set up an SPL sub to sound pretty dang good. It all boils down to how much money one is willing to spend and how many enclosures one wants to build for their vehicle. In the end, setup is the vital key for EVERYTHING!

 
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