eD 16Ov.2 or RE XXX?

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

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[t-money 10+ year member]

Its funny you bash people for buying subs without hearing them, then immediately next say you bought yours without hearing it.
So I guess the only people who recommend those subs (and that's quite a list) are people with "xmax BONERS"? Get a grip, you are making wide generalizations with no evidence to back them up. Some of us actually understand what 'linear displacement' means and how it affects output. But thanks for dismissing me and everyone else (including jlaine) as simply on some bandwagon boner. If you cant talk about the facts (on linear displacement and your aparent theory it means nothing), just sling some mud eh? You really have no clue what you are talking about in this regard. Ive heard an ov2 and own xxx's genius. I didnt comment on my opinions of how they compared because imo the ov2 I heard was in the wrong box. *shrug* But still you flame me (and all us bandwaggoners //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif ) for recommending subs without hearing them. You are the ignorant one here, not me. You are the one speaking with no real knowledge of the truth of the words coming out of your mouth, not me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Comprehending what you just wrote? Yeah, it was a little difficult actually. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

This is some sort of joke right? (looks for the hidden camera) You joined the forum this month, and have 5 posts. Other than that, Ive never heard of you before. Are you suppose to be like famous or something? lol

Look man, Im not trying to say your opinion or your experience is wrong. But I am saying your one comparison, your system versus your friend's system, really doesn't prove anything beyond YOUR system is louder than HIS. It certainly does not prove physics wrong in that a sub with more displacement potential can and will get louder. You never specifically debate that issue, you just skirt around it with vague references to xmax boners and bandwagon reasoning. Whatever you say, you are the only expert here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Its funny supa-c said 'its all in the install' and you agreed (couldn't agree more you said lol), yet his point was your comparison was comparing installs easily as much as you were comparing the raw drivers. Yet you want to have your 'test' be the measuring stick from which new legions of eD 'bandwagoners' will spawn.

Have a nice day.

This will be my last comment on this topic.

First, i didn't bash people for buying subs that they haven't heard, i bashed people for recommending subs to others that they haven't heard.

Second, i understand linear displacement and that doesn't mean that A driver with more exmax will always be louder than B driver with less exmax.Obviously you read thae parts you want to.If you go back and read you'll see that i owned a e15a with 29.1 mm xmax but like i mentioned my 16ov2 got louder than that.

Third, the poster was asking about a xxx vs a 16ov2.I have experience with both drivers so i offered my advice from my experiences(not others).

Fourth, there is no hidden camera, you're right i'm a noob.Just because i joined this month(yesterday if you want the truth) doesn't mean i don't know car audio.I have been lurking around this forum for years watching all the haters hate on certain companies.

Fifth, i actually joined because i could give my opinion and advice on two subs that i've heard or else i honestly would not have responed to this thread.I respect Boomzalot because he has heard both drivers and knows that the 16ov2 does in deed get pretty **** loud even off less wattage.So once again, to the poster i have heard both subs.Since i obviously can't win this arguement like stated above i will suggests you buy whichever sub you wish, i was just trying to help since i listed to both everyday.I guess you might as well choose the xxx 15 because it has more linear displacement, meaning that no other subs can get as loud off 1200 rms (not even a jugg,L7, DD,etc).I actually joined this forum after all these years because i found a topic that i had experience with and thats all.I don't answer questions if i'm not confident with my answers so i can steer peoole who don't get a chance to audition subs.I'm done arguing over my experience and my ears.I once was a noob and learned a lot from these car audio forums but i took advice from people with experience not here say people.To the poster again you can take my recommendation with a grain of salt after all, what do i know i just joined yesterday.I just hopd for others reading that you realize car audio is a hobby for most, we don't all want to make sub ****, some of us buy car audio to listen to music and enjoy it.So to the poster again, if you want to hear about my experiences with both subs in what boxes and all, pm me and i'll gladly let you know what boxes we had both subs in etc, i'm done responding to this thread after all all this bickering is not helping the poster and i do apologize to if it seems like your thread is being hijacked, i didn't intend for it to.So everyone that enjoys their system and enjoys music keep on bumping and have a wonderful week. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/bigwave.gif.16324171cad2db62cf4f16568b038478.gif

edit: you can't say d-a-m-n here?, it bleeped it out.Also i am not a Ed follower, i am a car audio enthusiasts that enjoys listening to music loud.I may even get rid of my 16ov2 in the future and try a solo x 12(since i can get a good deal on one).

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

First, i didn't bash people for buying subs that they haven't heard, i bashed people for recommending subs to others that they haven't heard.

You should make sure you are correct before making such statements. But you didn't, you made blanket statements concluding that people who recommend xxx's magnums, brahma's, etc are only doing so due to some internet bandwagon boner thing. You were incorrect, in reference to me at least. If you want your comments to be taken seriously here, dont lace them with put downs for practically half the board members (people who recommend those brands you listed... for whatever reason). You seem like a reasonable guy, I tink you realize your statements were misleading and inflamatory. If not, oh well.

Second, i understand linear displacement and that doesn't mean that A driver with more exmax will always be louder than B driver with less exmax.Obviously you read thae parts you want to.If you go back and read you'll see that i owned a e15a with 29.1 mm xmax but like i mentioned my 16ov2 got louder than that.

The fact that you owned a sub with 29mm of xmax does not prove you understand linear displacement and/or how it affects driver output. Its funny you keep trying to put people in a category of being on some 'xmax boner' and yet its you that seems obsessed with this spec... obsessed with proving it means nothing. Again, the fact you owned a sub with more xmax than your current sub, and yet was not louder, is no indication of the performance differences between the two subs in every situation. Its like you pop in with your 5 posts, tell us your experience with these 2 or 3 drivers, then expect us to take your conclusions as gospel. Sorry, like I said before, you are more or less comparing installs more so than raw drivers, yet you only want your conclusions to reflect on the raw subs.

Third, the poster was asking about a xxx vs a 16ov2.I have experience with both drivers so i offered my advice from my experiences(not others).

And I have no issue with your opinion, except when you try to get us to believe your comparison means more than it really does.

Fourth, there is no hidden camera, you're right i'm a noob.Just because i joined this month(yesterday if you want the truth) doesn't mean i don't know car audio.I have been lurking around this forum for years watching all the haters hate on certain companies.

I did not say or imply you lack knowledge or experience due to a lack of a high post count. I said I did not know you. You make the comment to check around the boards for you and your reputation, yet you literally just signed up on this board that very same day. At least get a month under your belt before you start braggng about how long you've been around or what your 'reputation' is. I would have no way to check if you've been lurking around this or any other board for a year before deciding to start posting, nor would I have any desire to do so. Its irrelevant.

Fifth...I guess you might as well choose the xxx 15 because it has more linear displacement, meaning that no other subs can get as loud off 1200 rms (not even a jugg,L7, DD,etc).

Where did I or anyone else here say that? We were simply trying to tone down your comments that an ov2 is so much louder than these other subs and that people who recommend those other subs are just doing so due to an internet xmax boner bandwagon. You 1) undermine the opinions of the other people when you do that, even as you are now trying to act like the person being attacked here, and 2) you imply that linear displacement (xmax) means nothing to output, when many of us know that's incorrect.

I don't answer questions if i'm not confident with my answers so i can steer peoole who don't get a chance to audition subs.

Dude, you've been here since yesterday, yet you talk about what types of questions you do and dont answer. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

You guys realy need to get off the bandwagons. Sure eD wasnt liked around here but that doesnt mean you need to start pulling bullshit out of your *** to make RE look better then ED when in reality there both **** good companys.

Sure a sub might have more linear displacement from what the specs say, but you can basicly throw the specs out the window when your sub is in a box...they dont mean jack shit.

Audioholic, specs cannot compete with real world expierence, plain and simple.

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

Where did I or anyone else here say that? We were simply trying to tone down your comments that an ov2 is so much louder than these other subs and that people who recommend those other subs are just doing so due to an internet xmax boner bandwagon. You 1) undermine the opinions of the other people when you do that, even as you are now trying to act like the person being attacked here, and 2) you imply that linear displacement (xmax) means nothing to output, when many of us know that's incorrect

Expierence>Speculation

Xmax realy doesnt mean as much as your making out it be, especialy when you dont have the power to get it to xmax. He stated the 0v2 is better BECAUSE it sounded better off less power. Sure the xxx is a better sub but if you dont have the power then why bother?

Its like you pop in with your 5 posts, tell us your experience with these 2 or 3 drivers, then expect us to take your conclusions as gospel. Sorry, like I said before, you are more or less comparing installs more so than raw drivers, yet you only want your conclusions to reflect on the raw subs.

Because post count means evvvvvvvery thing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Who honestly cares about raw drivers when you dont have the raw driver in your trunk? From what the specs say and what it will do in a box in your trunk are two TOTALY different things. I would rather hear about somone comparing two installs then comparing specs and coming to conclusions from JUST the specs and not even bothering to listen to them.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

You guys realy need to get off the bandwagons. Sure eD wasnt liked around here but that doesnt mean you need to start pulling bullshit out of your *** to make RE look better then ED when in reality there both **** good companys.
Sure a sub might have more linear displacement from what the specs say, but you can basicly throw the specs out the window when your sub is in a box...they dont mean jack shit.

Audioholic, specs cannot compete with real world expierence, plain and simple.

Thank you! Christ some of you guys (JAZN, SUPA).. you sound like 12 year old girls... Either give contructive advice on the topic and leave your boners out of it, or just dont post, please //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

I dont like either company..i have no idea what you are talking about

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

I dont like either company..i have no idea what you are talking about

Why dont you post something usefull?

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

I do.....

But no on this forum

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

I do.....But no on this forum

Then just leave, your bullshit trolling isnt wanted nor needed here.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

What i do know is that i have a 16ov2 and my friend has a xxx 15 and my set up is louder.

Have you heard both setups in the exact same vehicle with the exact same settings (bass boost/etc) with subs in the exact same alignments?

If the answer is no, then your comparison is meaningless. Just because you've "heard" something, doesn't mean you can draw any valid conclusions from that experience.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

Then just leave, your bullshit trolling isnt wanted nor needed here.

No thanks.

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

Have you heard both setups in the exact same vehicle with the exact same settings (bass boost/etc) with subs in the exact same alignments?
If the answer is no, then your comparison is meaningless. Just because you've "heard" something, doesn't mean you can draw any valid conclusions from that experience.

Hence my all in the install comment, i was going to elaborate on it by saying that his eD could be louder in his vehicle while his friends RE could be quieter in his vehicle.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Expierence>Speculation
Xmax realy doesnt mean as much as your making out it be, especialy when you dont have the power to get it to xmax. He stated the 0v2 is better BECAUSE it sounded better off less power. Sure the xxx is a better sub but if you dont have the power then why bother?

Because post count means evvvvvvvery thing //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Who honestly cares about raw drivers when you dont have the raw driver in your trunk? From what the specs say and what it will do in a box in your trunk are two TOTALY different things. I would rather hear about somone comparing two installs then comparing specs and coming to conclusions from JUST the specs and not even bothering to listen to them.

Im not making xmax out to be anything. Im simply stating that displacement plays a big role in output. One sub has 10mm of xmax, another has 30... which has the greater potential to get loud? Have I stated this means the sub with the higher xmax will be louder in every situation? No, Ive said just the opposite, install (which includes power available) is the key factor in comparing two subs in totally different installs in totally different cars (see squeak's reply). Beyond that, Im not making displacement out to "be" anything. *shrug*

Where did I say post count means evvvvvvvvvverything? You are trying to extrapolate my comment out to something its not.

And I also never suggested that comparing specs is more important than direct listening. BUT when comparing drivers, certainly specs need to be considered, not just one guy saying 'mine is louder than my fiends'.

I really have no idea why you are coming at me with these comments, they are quite off the mark. You are correct that specs and how something does in a trunk can lead to completely different conclusions, but so can using one person's comparison of his install to another's guy's as a measuring stick. I guess I and jlaine (and a few others) were wrong to step in and point out the specs show the situation could and/or should lead to quite different results given different criteria? If you say so...

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Audioholic, specs cannot compete with real world expierence, plain and simple.

And one person's 'real world experience' cannot rule out specs and physics, plain and simple. Are you suggesting otherwise?

edit: and Im not bashing eD as a company or their products in any way. Not one of my comments on this thread has suggested eD makes bad products. So if you are pointing that finger at me, you can just aim it elsewhere. Thanks.