Does Peal & seal work

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

No, Protect0-Wrap is not "deadener." It's called peal n seal, not peel and deaden.

Benefits to using asphalt-based "deadener":

- it's cheaper

- it's thinner

- it's lighter

- it's cheaper

Lots of time and money has been spent by engineers seeking to make the most effective constrained layer damper (CLD) or visco-elastic constrained layer damper (VECLD) products. They are used in all sorts of commercial industries, automobiles is just one of them. Asphalt is not used in the engineering of these products. Why? Because it's not viscoelastic. Visco - water like: asphalt is petroleum-like. Elastic - ability to return to shape: asphalt is not rubber.

Butylene is a rubber. If you put it on thick enough foil, you can stop the sheer forces in a vibrating substrate (sheet metal, plastic, fiberglass, etc). Thus, deadening. Actually, it's technically decoupling the resonant surface - taking vibration and converting it to heat.

Peal n seal can have some of the same effect. The benefit of which depends on the materials used and the application. Poor materials = poor adhesion over time = no damping = waste of time.

In the end, you get what you pay for. Take it from a guy that has many products .....Protecto Wrap included..... AND real, God's honest CLD mat products on nearly every resonant surface of his automobile. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Gary S 10+ year member]

Poor materials = poor adhesion over time = no damping = waste of time.

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- This is very true... effectiveness of the material depends on weight plus adhesion. That's why I like a liquid application first, wherever possible.

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

The silver backed protecto wrap works fine. I've got it all over my car, been in there about 1 1/2 years and none is coming loose anywhere. I clean all surfaces with brake cleaner and use a blow dryer to warm it before applying. Car is vibration free, so IMO it works just fine.

You can get it at HD, Menards, etc...

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

So the OP asks if it will be effective. The answer is yes, it will....but it depends.....

Switch the question to this: Is asphalt-based flashing tape a good investment...both for your money and time? Not really, because....

It requires something to clean it first. That's time and $$$. Requires heat. Got a heat gun?

It's not a predictable product. It can vary greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer, batch to batch. It's not meant to be a decoupler; it's meant to do patch work on your roof!

These arguments always come down to anecdotes: I used it and it fell off. I used it and it worked great. Back and forth.

What's the underlying message? Find out for yourself. You could get some good stuff and it could work great. Could also be a big time mess, not worthy of your time or effort in the first place. Lowe's has a pretty liberal return policy. Maybe when it falls off you can roll it back up and return it??

Again, I have Protecto-Wrap products in my car...both the aluminum-backed and the mylar-backed versions. But they are not used as DEADENER! They are used as peal n seal. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audiobahnuser18 5,000+ posts]

Thank you very much for all the information foxpro5 all very helpfull . and really do appericate it.

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

So the OP asks if it will be effective. The answer is yes, it will....but it depends.....
Switch the question to this: Is asphalt-based flashing tape a good investment...both for your money and time? Not really, because....

It requires something to clean it first. That's time and $$$. Requires heat. Got a heat gun?

It's not a predictable product. It can vary greatly from manufacturer to manufacturer, batch to batch. It's not meant to be a decoupler; it's meant to do patch work on your roof!

These arguments always come down to anecdotes: I used it and it fell off. I used it and it worked great. Back and forth.

What's the underlying message? Find out for yourself. You could get some good stuff and it could work great. Could also be a big time mess, not worthy of your time or effort in the first place. Lowe's has a pretty liberal return policy. Maybe when it falls off you can roll it back up and return it??

Again, I have Protecto-Wrap products in my car...both the aluminum-backed and the mylar-backed versions. But they are not used as DEADENER! They are used as peal n seal. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I would clean the dust/grime off the panels before applying ANY type of deadener, so that's a mute point. Also used a blow dryer to warm it as it was 40degrees when I was applying it.

So did they stop your roof from leaking? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

It adds mass and at a pretty reasonable price, so yes it can be used as a deadener...

 

[audiobahnuser18 5,000+ posts]

haha funny comment man. thanks mls. anyone else with input on this post up your experiences would appericate it.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I would clean the dust/grime off the panels before applying ANY type of deadener, so that's a mute point. Also used a blow dryer to warm it as it was 40degrees when I was applying it.
So did they stop your roof from leaking? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

It adds mass and at a pretty reasonable price, so yes it can be used as a deadener...

No, not ANY deadener needs to have that done. Sure if it's throughly coated, by all means...wipe it off!

Did a great job of sealing the access holes in my rear hatch and all 4 doors. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I peeled off and stuck it on. It sealed the deal for me. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Again, deadener as you are using it is meant to decouple the surface. How good is the backing layer and the asphalt at counter-acting sheer and turning vibration to heat?

It's a myth that the heavier deadening mats on the market work better. Sure, heavier things are more difficult to move, but everything has a RF....even asphalt [think frozen asphalt ;] and butylene.

Look up the DLF on butyl-based mats and you will see them loose effectiveness as the temperature drops. If you have to use heat to apply peal n seal, what happens to that "deadener" when it cools back down?

 

[connersdad19 10+ year member]

i never heated mine up....although it was 75 out lol

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

If you have to use heat to apply peal n seal, what happens to that "deadener" when it cools back down?

Car has been through 2 winters with temps hitting -20degrees at the coldest, and upper 90's in the summer, and it's a black car. NONE of it has come loose, including the 2 layers on the trunk lid. Maybe I got lucky //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I understand your "technical" explanation of how deadeners work, but I'm getting the same thing out of Protecto Wrap for a lot less $$$. Road noise has been significantly reduced and no more rattles/vibrations from any interior panels...

 

[audiobahnuser18 5,000+ posts]

Thanks mlsstrass. anyone else with input on this?

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Car has been through 2 winters with temps hitting -20degrees at the coldest, and upper 90's in the summer, and it's a black car. NONE of it has come loose, including the 2 layers on the trunk lid. Maybe I got lucky //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
I understand your "technical" explanation of how deadeners work, but I'm getting the same thing out of Protecto Wrap for a lot less $$$. Road noise has been significantly reduced and no more rattles/vibrations from any interior panels...

I have Protecto Wrap on my heat shield, dude......yep, on the outside of my car.....in the same, if not more extreme temp swings as you in IL. It's been there for 3 years and has not budged. Yes it can deaden. But my use for it was to reflect heat, mostly.

mlstrass - The Lucky One! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Super duper! When's the next sale at HD!?!?

 

[Rudy 10+ year member]

i new that would be posted up....but i am still going to go peel and seal...its cheap and does the same thing. before i used it i had doubts after i used it for the first time...its like the people who say it smelled...well it didnt....has not fallen off....

It's cheap, but it doesn't do the same thing at all. It adds mass, that's all. Asphalt is not a viscoelastic material - butyl is. Google "viscoelastic constrained layer damper" for background on how important that feature is.

Asphalt is prone to failure and its potential to fail increases every day. Heat tolerance decreases with time. Its durability varies between batches and due to circumstances completely beyond the user's control. Cleaning the surfaces won't stabilize it and using a heat gun to increase short term adhesive strength ACCELERATES the reduction in its heat tolerance.

Whether or not you can smell it, if the asphalt is flexible, it is outgassing toxic VOCs. There are no two ways about it.

I use it, works great. For the price it can't be beat.

There is no possible way this can be an accurate statement. It will be better than nothing if it doesn't melt or otherwise fall off. That is the best that can be said for it.

I have Peal and Seal on my doors and trunk lid. It works great, just make sure to use a heat gun.

see above

i have peel and seal in my trunk....sorry to say does the same thing acts as a deadner has never stunk...but hey its just me...

As I said before, it will be better than nothing if it doesn't fail and you don't mind the toxicity. The reason people make assertions like this is because they don't have enough experience with a range of products. Ask yourself why you so seldom hear any one say they used to use butyl and tried asphalt and it works just as well? Much more likely to hear the opposite. People with a lot of experience don't say things like this.

An interesting phenomenon has developed over the past few years that I have been reviewing sound deadeners. Early on, many people contacted me to insist that asphalt was as good as butyl. Many of them have been honest enough to contact me later to say that despite meticulous installation, the asphalt mat eventually melted or fell off. Don't consider anybody reliable on this point unless they have had an asphalt product in their car for at least 3 summers. I'm not saying there is a 100% failure rate - just that there are far too many cases of perfect installation and product failure for me to even consider it. Not on a vertical surface and not on a horizontal surface. Peel & Seal was meant to make temporary repairs on the roof of a mobile home. Use it for that.

The silver backed protecto wrap works fine. I've got it all over my car, been in there about 1 1/2 years and none is coming loose anywhere. I clean all surfaces with brake cleaner and use a blow dryer to warm it before applying. Car is vibration free, so IMO it works just fine.
You can get it at HD, Menards, etc...

The aluminum foil backed Protecto-Wrap isn't bad at all, if it has the butyl adhesive. Protecto-Wrap isn't a product, it is a company. They make asphalt and butyl with aluminum foil or plastic facings. You want butyl and aluminum foil. Anything else is a waste of time. The foil is an important component that contributes substantially to the product's effectiveness.

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Pretty good stuff there as well . //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

WRONG - WRONG - WRONG. THis stuff claims to be butyl but is asphalt. It also has a silvery looking facing that is actually plastic. It is the worst of all possible product configurations AND is being sold through deception.

Protecto Wrap= $1.32/ft
RAAMmat BXT= $1.90/ft

Spend the extra $.58 and get the good stuff.

Also consider the thickness and mass/ft². Flashing tapes like Protecto Wrap are usually a lot thinner than products like RAAMmat that are sold by reputable companies for sound deadening. If it takes 2 layers of Protecto-Wrap to equal 1 layer of RAAMmat, the economy is much worse.

Whats better Peal & seal or Rammatt?

No question, RAAMmat

If you use a heat gun on peal and seal would it work just as good?

No. Please see above for reasons why this is not a good idea and why the two can never be equivalent.

Would you have to use a number of layers of Peal & Seal ?

You would have to use MANY to accomplish with mass loading alone what a butyl product accomplishes with mass loading and constrained layer viscoelastic damping.

When I first started looking at sound deadeners, it was strictly to find something for my own use. Like many of you, I was intrigued by the idea of something that could be purchased cheaply at Home Depot being as good as the very expensive products being sold as sound deadeners. Several years and literally dozens of products later, there is no doubt in my mind that asphalt is far too risky and ineffective to be worth the trouble.

Even the cheapness argument is doubtful. In my experience, using $50 of a decent butyl mat and spreading it out will work better than $50 of Peel & Seal or other asphalt with none of the downside risks.

 

[audiobahnuser18 5,000+ posts]

WoW thanks for all the info Rudy. and everyone that has answered and posted up to this thread keep posting up if anyone else has an opnion.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Rudy is right on... Peal & Seal *WILL* eventually fail. I applied it VERY carefully in one of my old cars, even covering every seam on every layer with aluminum ducting tape. I thought it was fine since it was on there for a few years... year number 4 (after I sold it to my cousin) and even with my tape over all the seams, careful application, etc, etc it IS failing. It is melting out and pooling up in corners and that stuff will ruin interior. Some of it is also peeling back and falling off as well.

Without the taping (more cost, probably making it equal to Raamat BXT) it would have began oozing out even sooner, probably after 2-3 years.