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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Either cartridge is capable of grazing an ear...

We won't know until Rob provides proof that it never happened... until then this whole attempted assassination is just crazy right wing talk.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Nope. They didn't make the claim Trump was shot in his ear lobe. Trump made the claim.

He also made the claim that Biden and Harris's rhetoric are the cause of the assassination attempt.
Do you think he is accurate about that claim?
“Their rhetoric is causing me to be shot at, when I am the one who is going to save the country and they are the ones that are destroying the country — both from the inside and out,” Trump said in comments to Fox News Digital.

He also said he "probably took a bullet to the head".
"I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy. I'm a threat to democracy. They're the threat to democracy,"
Really? Confused about what his ear lobe is, and what his head actually is. Scary.

Of course, we have his suggestion that reporters should be shot while he hides behind bulletproof glass. What a classy guy to have as POTUS:
“I have this piece of glass here,” he said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news. And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much.”

Come on Rob. Show some integrity and stop trying to beat around the fact Trump was shot. If he wasn't shot, the news would be reporting it as lie, but you're the only one saying he wasn't shot.

You said that you will be willing to admit when you misspoke. Do better research and you'll see he was shot. I showed you pictures and even pointed out how your picture proved he was shot. Below are videos of dems admitting it. You know darn well AOC would be taunting the injury as being fake if it was. Even CNN talks about it being real. It's just you saying it's not.

 

[Old_Slapper]

Every Major NEWS outlet states he was shot. The FBI states he was shot. Did I mention EVERY NEWS outlet stands by the fact he was shot?

FBI says Trump was indeed struck by bullet during assassination attempt

The FBI says former President Donald Trump was struck in the ear by a bullet during an assassination attempt on July 13, as the agency moved Friday to clarify what happened after nearly two weeks of confusion and conflicting accounts.

apnews.com

FBI confirms that a bullet struck Trump's ear during assassination attempt

In congressional testimony this week, FBI Director Christopher Wray had said "there’s some question about whether or not it’s a bullet or shrapnel" that hit the former president.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/20/trump-shooting-doctor-letter-00169963

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

It's an ego thing. He has one though he really shouldn't. He thinks he is not fallible or just really thinks we are dumb people who don't deserve to hear that he is wrong. I bet in his personal life, if he has people he associates with, he has made sure they are less educated than he is so he can boost that ego and feel superior.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

You said that you will be willing to admit when you misspoke.

I got a bridge to sell ya if you actually believed Rob wasn't lying out his azz when he posted that

 

[Old_Slapper]

I got a bridge to sell ya if you actually believed Rob wasn't lying out his azz when he posted that

Is it a nice bridge? LOL...

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The Gulf of America... What do you guys think?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

The 556 tends to tumble and shatter at close range (~150 yards or less iirc) and tends to punch straight thru for the next few 100 yards and then starts tumbling again.

Immediately thought of that video of a rotating object in the ISS that would rotate almost perfectly on axis for a bunch of rotations, do a 180 and rotate on axis again, then flip back. Rinse and repeat.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I just want to throw this out there. I don't think anyone is debating that the projectile isn't exactly the same however the cartridge as a whole (case and projectile together) is what I am arguing. Placing the projectile in the 5.56 NATO spec casing is what then makes the cartridge different than the .223 Remington. I know Rob likes to assume everyone is talking about what is literally in his head and his terminology and the way he sees it. This will hopefully have everyone on the same page. It is the case that makes the cartridges different. The exact same projectile, two different ammos. This means definitively that they ARE different.

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The extra grain of powder in the 5.56 and the resulting increase in pressure is what makes it different.
The cartridge doesn't change the pressure, it just allows for more.

Load the 5,56 and the .223 for the same pressure, and they are the same for all intents and purposes.
You can run a 5.56 in a .223 all day long if it's packed for the right pressure (~55k psi).

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The extra grain of powder in the 5.56 and the resulting increase in pressure is what makes it different.
The cartridge doesn't change the pressure, it just allows for more.

Wrong, wrong, wrong again Rob the Bot.

Load the 5,56 and the .223 for the same pressure, and they are the same for all intents and purposes.
You can run a 5.56 in a .223 all day long if it's packed for the right pressure (~55k psi).

You can keep repeating this same shit over and over. We aren't discussing the ifs Rob. When loaded to spec they are different. Just shut up already.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Not to mention you ignoring post number 7514 where I posted the dimensions of both cases and the 5.56 NATO is indeed different. Why do you insist on butting heads Rob? You are wrong. Trump got shot, the two rounds are not the same. Just stop already.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Come on Rob. Show some integrity and stop trying to beat around the fact Trump was shot. If he wasn't shot, the news would be reporting it as lie, but you're the only one saying he wasn't shot.

You said that you will be willing to admit when you misspoke. Do better research and you'll see he was shot. I showed you pictures and even pointed out how your picture proved he was shot. Below are videos of dems admitting it. You know darn well AOC would be taunting the injury as being fake if it was. Even CNN talks about it being real. It's just you saying it's not.

I'll tell you what Slapper: If the argument against every fact that I post here is going to be that it's "fake news", or "faked statistics", or "faked history" dating back up to 3/4 of a century, then there's no ******* way I'm going to believe a 78 year old man lost a chunk of his ear to a bullet, and that chunk miraculously grew back and healed without a trace of injury in a few weeks.

Pardon the run-on paragraph.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Wrong, wrong, wrong again Rob the Bot.

Repetition doesn't make truth, no matter how hard you try.
Not that Hornady has any experience with ammo, but this is what they have to say about it: "the fact that a 5.56 NATO chamber has a .125” longer throat. This allows approximately one more grain of powder to be loaded into a 5.56 NATO cartridge; this is what gives it higher performance than its 223 Remington cousin"

Maybe you should contact them and let them know the error of their ways.
Perhaps they'd hire you as their in-house expert advisor.

You can keep repeating this same shit over and over. We aren't discussing the ifs Rob. When loaded to spec they are different. Just shut up already.

"Loaded to spec". What is the "spec" load for a 5.56 intended to be used in a rifle chambered for .223 ?