Current events discussion

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

No....I'm just anti-fascist governments with state promoted propaganda.

Just checking if you were still riding the blue hawg...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Who will you accept proof from?

The source/s.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

The source/s.

Another brick wall useless answer.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Another brick wall useless answer.

Did you not understand the word, or can you not provide the proof?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Did you not understand the word, or can you not provide the proof?

Nope I want a name of whatever that you will accept proof from. Clearly it is nothing anyone of us will find on our own. Lets see your list, however small it may be of just exactly who can provide YOU with proof.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Nope I want a name of whatever that you will accept proof from. Clearly it is nothing anyone of us will find on our own. Lets see your list, however small it may be of just exactly who can provide YOU with proof.

Show me a state, any state, that is approving Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Show me how the workers bypass the controls in place that prevent non-citizens from getting Medicaid.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Show me a state, any state, that is approving Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Show me how the workers bypass the controls in place that prevent non-citizens from getting Medicaid.

Who will you accept proof from.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

What videos? Please tell me that you've got something better than that motorcycle one.....which was pillow soft.



No....I'm just anti-fascist governments with state promoted propaganda.

Trump is setting up perfect fascism in the near future with the ai stuff like how Biden used tech companies to censor everyone online which is literal fascism so Trump allowing the ai companies to do whatever they want build whatever they want is gonna come back on us hard.

No matter what anyone thinks about anything ai is going to change everything forever, a lot of the stuff we're talking about might not even be relevant since ai is already taking jobs and making hella mega super ai spy state.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You also never said how you "know" they are illegals who are getting Medicaid coverage.
Does your hospital have an admission form that asks patients their immigration status, and then you search the files of all the illegals to see if they are on Medicaid?

I'll ask again, since you sdeem to be avoiding answering the question:
HOW DO YOU KNOW THE PATIENTS ARE ILLEGALS GETTING MEDICAID?

Why are you so concerned about how I specifically know when illegals receiving medicaid/care has been documented elsewhere.

I would assume the Congressional Budget Office and Centers are way more credible than any anecdotal evidence I have.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/cbo_on_medicaid_for_illegal_immigrants.pdf

Under the law, undocumented immigrants may only access federal benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). order to be eligible for these emergency services, undocumented immigrants need to meet all of Medicaid’s other nonfinancial and financial eligibility requirements.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Who will you accept proof from.

I've already provided proof, but the Congressional Budget Office isn't credible enough for Rob. Ironically, he'll presumably accept proof from me if pull data out of my company's database. Actually, the data I'm referring to resides on another organization's database. I'm sure both company's would be perfectly okay with that, I could just explain a random guy on a random car audio forum insisted...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Who will you accept proof from.

I will accept proof. Not a claim made by someone else.

When I say a law exists, I show you a law.
When I say a W2 doesn't have job description on it, I show you the Federal W2 form.
When I say a mono amp doesn't have mutiple outputs, I show you a schematic that shows the symbol for a mon amp, which has only one output.

Show me a proof that citizenship is not a requirement in any state for Medicaid.
It could be the processing manual used by an agency. It could be an application for Meicaid that doesn't ask the question of citizenship. It could be a DHS/HHS/etc. policy bulletin that says "approve illegal immigrants for Medicaid". It could be an approved Medicaid eligibility for someone proved to be an illeagl immigrant.

All PROOFS, not just a claim that someone else made, that you are repeating.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I gave you the CENTERS FOR MEDICAID & MEDICARE SERVICES!!!! Who the **** will you accept proof from then Rob. That way we can skip all your bullshit and get right to the meat of every conversation.

I see, Always Right Rob is playing another one of his language games. He warped the actual argument, which is "illegals are (shouldn't) be receiving Medicare/aid" into he wants me to prove I specifically have seen it. And I'm supposed to access databases, people's medical records, etc.

I do have to point out that neither Rob nor anybody else on here demanded such info when I posted (pro-vax) anecdotal evidence of what I've seen in regards Covid. That suggests Rob doesn't vet information that supports his world view to the extent he vets information that contradicts his world view, which further suggests he works backwards from taking position and fitting in the evidence into fit his preconceived notion (otherwise, he'd vet information equally).

Furthermore, since none of the anti-vaxxers asked for this level of information, it seems that they understood that would be a violation of the social code, job policies, etc. Or if they didn't understand or care about social codes, job policies, etc, they at least placed more value on higher level data (ie CDC data) than my anecdotal evidence.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why are you so concerned about how I specifically know when illegals receiving medicaid/care has been documented elsewhere.

Because YOU claimed to have first-hand experience and exposure to illegal immigrants who were approved for Medicaid eligibility.
Simply repeating the claims of others proves nothing. That's a "survey says" situation.
If the "survey said" the moon was made of cheese, would you believe it? Hopefully not.

I would assume the Congressional Budget Office and Centers are way more credible than any anecdotal evidence I have.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/cbo_on_medicaid_for_illegal_immigrants.pdf

Under the law, undocumented immigrants may only access federal benefits that are deemed necessary to protect life or guarantee safety in dire situations, such as emergency Medicaid, access to treatment in hospital emergency rooms, or access to healthcare and nutrition programs under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). order to be eligible for these emergency services, undocumented immigrants need to meet all of Medicaid’s other nonfinancial and financial eligibility requirements.

Yeah, that is repeating the law.
There is more than one law in existence outlawing things that never happen.

Please explain your first-hand knowledge and experience with illegals being active on Medicaid.
How did you know they were illegal? Was it on their PPHP ID card? Do they write it on their intake forms to get healthcare? Were you suspicious and did a background investigation?

You can explain HOW, and even prove it, without breaking any HIPAA regulations.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

So where you anti-government under Biden too?

I'll give you three guesses.... I bet he was railing against lockdown measures during Covid.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

I see, Always Right Rob is playing another one of his language games. He warped the actual argument, which is "illegals are (shouldn't) be receiving Medicare/aid" into he wants me to prove I specifically have seen it. And I'm supposed to access databases, people's medical records, etc.

I want you to prove it because you claimed you did it.

I do have to point out that neither Rob nor anybody else on here demanded such info when I posted (pro-vax) anecdotal evidence of what I've seen in regards Covid. That suggests Rob doesn't vet information that supports his world view to the extent he vets information that contradicts his world view, which further suggests he works backwards from taking position and fitting in the evidence into fit his preconceived notion (otherwise, he'd vet information equally).

Why would someone question anectdotal evidence that is expressed, when scientific evidence already exists?
If someone told you they extracted hydrogen from water with some wire, some metal, and a battery, would you question the possibility, or assume they just replicated prior experiements?

Furthermore, since none of the anti-vaxxers asked for this level of information, it seems that they understood that would be a violation of the social code, job policies, etc. Or if they didn't understand or care about social codes, job policies, etc, they at least placed more value on higher level data (ie CDC data) than my anecdotal evidence.

Huh?