Check out tha BTL

[bdawson72 5,000+ posts]

Some people just dont get it.

 

[dadydolas 10+ year member]

dont get what

dawson

 

[02parkave 5,000+ posts]

IMO they should just go Woven with there tinsels, it sure would help alot of issues, but i know they wont

People been telling Fi to make woven tensel lead from the gecko... I dont understand what is the big deal about doing it? Lazyness I guess?

no. scott has said that he doesnt like woven tensils. they are inherantly weaker than plain old spiders. i personally love the semi woven tensils,and wish scott would go that way.. just mo though

edit. . .
I run an IA 40.1 to each of my BTL 15's and they get hammered on a lot. The tinsels still look brand new. . .

I have a friend's RE SE 12 in my garage waiting for a recone kit. It was only run on 350 watts and they are fried. user error. . .

Brian

good for you. you are one of the lucky, without problems. i hope it continues that way for you

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

I don't know what it is about the BTL's, but they are prone to issues no doubt.

I had my 18 installed maybe 3-4 weeks, only beat on it a couple times. When I pulled it out the spiders were already showing wear around the tinsels.I NEVER played under tuning period, never taken beyond its limits.Actually I think it got pushed to its limits maybe 4-5 times? I've never seen such a self destructive sub right out of the box like that. I've never had a problem with a sub like that before. Meh, oh well.

 

[luvinthebass 5,000+ posts]

dam, that sub took a beating.

 

[Apocalypse boy 10+ year member]

Mines did the same thing as the pics you posted...I'm pretty sure it's user error(clipping).

 

[Safe_Cracker 10+ year member]

Mines did the same thing as the pics you posted...I'm pretty sure it's user error(clipping).

Indeed, that subs coils were sooo overheated that the tinsels heated up so much and burned through the spider! The worse thing was the user didn't mention of a fowl smell which HAD to be present, come on lOl. I once burned a 1/4" of a woven spider and thought my car was on fire. The heat weakens the metal in the tinsels causing them to break, if it was a woven spider it would have cut straight through running big amps you need to keep it clean and keep it short... Polo.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[Astyl 10+ year member]

Indeed, that subs coils were sooo overheated that the tinsels heated up so much and burned through the spider! The worse thing was the user didn't mention of a fowl smell which HAD to be present, come on lOl. I once burned a 1/4" of a woven spider and thought my car was on fire. The heat weakens the metal in the tinsels causing them to break, if it was a woven spider it would have cut straight through running big amps you need to keep it clean and keep it short... Polo.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Does noone listen, the coils are absolutely fine, they are not burnt, they still have the shiny copper color to them, the imp of the coil is still normal and i never smelled coil whatsoever while playing

IDK what the issue was with the tinsels, but i will tell you right now that the coil is fine, the tinsels are not

If anything the issue with that side is probobly due to the fact that after the Tinsel Lead broke on the other side ( as you can see the broken sides spider looks fine ) you are now trying to send 2000+ watts RMS to a single coil of a BTL, not a combined effort, which would cause the heatup because a single coil is not meant to take that much power its suppost to be a team effort

 

[fbi90909 5,000+ posts]

just accept it.. the coil was overheated but not damaged while retaining it's shine. the heat coming from the coil continued up your tinsels and caused the spiders to burn up like that.

yes your coils are fine.. good to go for round 2.. the tinsel lead however was not replaced/re-affixed to the terminal. why? because just about everyone that has had a tinsel snap has had a small amount of lead become missing. why do i say this? cause i had a tinsel snap on my 05 XXX, and i am the original owner of that XXX. my sub too had a small amount of lead missing which made it seem like if i soldered it back right at the point of the snap it would not be able to take absolutely no excursion. though for the months of owning it before it snapped it's taken it's beating. http://forum.carstereos.org/lol-tinsel-snap-t67885.html

no one is at fault. the tinsels had a weak point and snapped. just ask Scott for some tinsel lead and run a new line. if he will warranty it then let him warranty it.

a little suggestion of mine is to turn it down sometimes.

 

[grassroots 10+ year member]

Some people just dont get it.

oh please... tinsel snap on btls and mts are quite common. when you buy one of these drivers, you're going to push it and it's weak points will show. simply put, the tinsels on btls and mts are it's bottleneck...

prob already posted these but it's worth it again... my 18in MT run off an autotek mm3000.1 wired at .35ohm. daily abuse...

and when i reconed it, it was hard to tell the old coil from the brand new recone kit... looked brand new...

and yes, both tinsels broke simultaneously...

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

ah good thing the tinsel leads on my woofers don't break

 

[fbi90909 5,000+ posts]

^^^ i remember that. basically.. shit happens. :/

 

[grassroots 10+ year member]

ah good thing the tinsel leads on my woofers don't break

yah, i wish i wasn't loud like you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[IA2 10+ year member]

I really cant add anything useful to this thread due to losing concentration from dadydolas avatar. That is all.

 

[Safe_Cracker 10+ year member]

If I may add one other thing, a coil has density and cooling that allows it to handle power as it does, tinsels take the same amount of power without being cooled so they get super hot and will burn anything they come in contact with. Funny how you can use 8ga for speaker wire but when it comes to tinsels looks to be like 22... Polo..