CDA-9835 or DEH-P880PRS

[2kchevy06civic 5,000+ posts]

there are so many threads on the h701 it's not even funny //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif :fyi:

Just do a search bro. There is a wealth of info on it.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I love my 9835, so much... I have a spare just in case //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif...

nG

 

[Babs 10+ year member]

So, how many EQ does the 9835 have? Could someone explain what the h701 does?
Reason I'm scouting a new HU is because my P7700 is only a 2volt affair and my AC EQL is static ridden (its mostly on flat anyway).

Yeah there's tons of info in here about the 701 but I'll give you a guick description.. It's an Alpine 5.1 external processor but quite popular for regular 2-channel audio.. Full-boat features with excellent dac's and processing power for time alignment, eq, crossover, etc.. All digital.. Works primarily with Alpine DVD units with optical out so takes a digital signal from input all the way through processing, then preamp outs to your amps. Can take analog signals but there are mixed reviews on how good that is. Optical digital is far better as the input signal remains digital. Some Alpine head units will provide complete control over the 701. Some have partial control. One popular head unit is the 200 or 205 double din DVD head units as the full screen is nice for control. Otherwise there's a 1-din controller specifically for the 701 control. So with fiber-optic out, your head unit becomes a disc "transport" and the 701 does all the processing and preamps to feed all amp channels.. Can provide a completely 'active' setup, eliminating need for passive crossovers. So typically, a 701 setup will have some kind of Alpine DVD head unit in combination. My opinion, it's only worth it if you can feed it Alpine fiberoptic for best performance.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

D310 Controls It.

 

[nickk678 10+ year member]

My 9855 and I get along great. I'm sure you will find that after you have set up your EQ's/TA/X-overs, you won't even use the face of the h/u but more so the remote

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

So, how many EQ does the 9835 have? Could someone explain what the h701 does?
Reason I'm scouting a new HU is because my P7700 is only a 2volt affair and my AC EQL is static ridden (its mostly on flat anyway).

Here are the basic specs on the equipment you asked about. If you need other specs on other HU let me know I have a list of specs for most of the popular SQ decks, I created along time ago that I update periodically.

9835/9833

4 volt pre-outs

3-way capable

Slope: The slope for each filter can be set to 6, 12, 18, or 24dB/octave, or Flat

X-over 3-way Mode: LPF Variable 20-200Hz for the subwoofer outputs. HPF variable 1-20kHz for the high-range speakers. MID-LPF variable 20Hz-20kHz and variable HPF 20-200Hz. The level for each filter can be adjusted from 0 to -12dB.

5-band Digital Parametric EQ: You can select a frequency for each of the following bands in 1/3-octave increments: Band 1 (20Hz-160Hz), Band 2 (50Hz-400Hz), Band 3 (125Hz-1kHz), Band 4 (315Hz-8kHz), and Band 5 (800Hz-20kHz). Once a frequency is selected, you can adjust its level from -6dB to +6dB in 1dB increments. Adjustable Q for each frequency can be set to 1, 1.5, or 3.

7-band Graphic EQ: You can adjust each of 7 audio bands from -6dB to +6dB. You can set up to six user memories.

Subwoofer Level Control: Subwoofer preamp outputs can be adjusted from 00 to 15. Subwoofer Phase Selector: The phase of the subwoofer outputs may be set to normal (0 degrees) or reverse (180 degrees).

Internal amp by-pass

XM ready

iPod ready with KCA-420i

9835 had Bio-lite display

Here is the h701 basic specs:

h701

X-over

Front-Select Tweeter HPF 1khz-18khz, LPF 1.1khz-20khz

Front Full Range- HPF 20hz-18khz, LPF 22hz-20khz

Front 2- HPF 20hz-18khz, LPF 22hz-20khz

Rear- HPF 20hz-18khz, LPF 22hz-20khz

Center- HPF 20hz-18khz, LPF 22hz-20khz

Sub- HPF 20hz-18khz, LPF 22hz-200hz

Selectable slope 6,12,18,30db

Level adjust: -12 to 0

PEQ: 5 bands Front/Rear/Center, 2 bands Sub

Q adjust .5,1,2,3,4,5

+ or _- 9db

31 band GEQ: Front L&R, Rear L&R and Center 20hz-20khz, 10 Bands Sub 20hz-160hz

T/A 0.0-20.00ms in .05ms steps

 

[macdon 10+ year member]

Thanks Babs - appreciate the info you gave on the 701. Saw some prices in ebay thou, but maybe I'll pass on that for now.

Hey Genxx - so the 9835 and the 9833 are almost the same except for the 35's Bio-lite display? Any other difference between both units?

On the 35, the more I learn about it everyday the more I'm leaning towards it compared to the 880......but we will see as I am scheduled to audition a 880 by tomorrow.

I also just learned that 6 guys in my car club has 9835s - and none of them dont wanna sell. Whats the big secret with that 3yr old Alpine model anyway?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

That is the only difference that I am aware of between the two.

To add to what Babs stated: I agree Optical is the best way IMO to run the h701. I have not heard of alot of complaints about noise with running the h701 analog. There was noise issue's with the h700 in analog from everything I have read and heard. There are other headunits that will also run the h701-9965, 9861, 9860 all single din units with optical out. Also the Alpine D310 HU will control it.

 

[Babs 10+ year member]

And you can find some decent deals on the 9860.. There are a few guys in here with a 9860 and C701 controller in their dash.. Looks like two alpine head units in a 2 din bay.. One is the DVD, and the other is the 701 controller. I've actually thought of going that route, but for the cash and the level of system I'm planning, the 9887 will do what I need..

I'm planning just a 2.1 setup with active 2-way frontstage and sub... maybe rear door fill if it can be done with time alignment.. 2.2 is easy with the 9887, but adding rear fill cannot.. no biggie, the SQ is with the frontstage.

On a side-note, the JBL MS-8 OEM processor (still not on the shelves yet but is promised by JBL, maybe in the fall, who knows.. formerly called the Fix-8 in Car Audio Mag's review) will however control 8 configurable channels, including subs and center if so inclined..

So I think (keyword) you could run rears and a front 2-way and a couple subs from the MS-8 with TA, fully configurable crossovers, EQ, auto-calibration (logic 7 stuff), and supposedly that processor (IF IF IF it every FINALLY makes it to market) is supposed to be fabulous.. The auto-tuning is supposed to be it's strongest feature. Similar to Alpines PXE-H650 which is ALSO not available yet in the US.

The MS-8 runs off OEM head units or any aftermarket via speaker outs or RCA's... Those types of units go back on my original issue that it's an "unclean" signal:

Digital to Analog to Preamp to Power Amp then back to Digital then processed then back to Analog then to preamp then out to your amps.... finally. However the claims are that the MS-8 is very very good with what you end up with. Gary Biggs built a BMW that is quite the SQ beast with an MS-8 running from the OEM sound system, and with some OEM speakers I believe.. scary.. Of course it's got amps and superior installation, etc.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Personally I would take a "good condition" 9835 over the 9887 or the 880PRS. Head units made today are not of the same quality of the 9835. The 9835 has probably 10 times the build quality alone. And I bet if you held all 3 of those units the 880 and 9887 would feel light and flimsy in comparison. For Alpine's sake they better hope they don't screw up with the 9887 since they lost alot of their customer base with their last 2 years of pathetic offerings in the head unit dept. BTW, I'm a Pioneer guy but I know quality when I see it. And not too many "current" headunits are "quality".

 

[evilkokonut 10+ year member]

yeah i agree... i went from a 7995 to a 880 and im thinking of switching to the 9835. i'd say its my fav HU of all time

 

[macdon 10+ year member]

yeah i agree... i went from a 7995 to a 880 and im thinking of switching to the 9835. i'd say its my fav HU of all time

Any chance you could share with us the reasons for changing?

I'm still undecided with my options (probably waiting on the 9887), but would still be interested in hearing about the 9835 and 880.

 

[macdon 10+ year member]

Just an update:

I finally received & just installed a 9835 that I got from desertheat (thanks man!) to replace my Pioneer DEH-P7700MP.

The 9835 was less "bright" - it even tamed the tweets of my Focals. We didnt touch anything on the 9835 but just the xover points as my previous Pioneer was flat.

The 9835 was full of details - sharp details actually. Infact, there were things in the Focal CD that we tested that I didnt hear with my Pioneer - this is serious stuff!

My Pioneer 880PRS would be coming in by next week - we will test this againts the 9835.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

w00ts.

nG

 

[macdon 10+ year member]

The 880PRS finally arrived last weekend and we got to test it out yesterday.....sadly, I was dissapointed.

About 10 days ago, I mentioned in this board about the Alpine 9835 I got from Desertheat. The Alpine replaced my Pioneer P7700MP which was a great improvement overall. It tamed the tweets of my Focals and I heard miniscule details in my Focal 165V2s that i didnt hear with my 7700. Definitely, changing to Alpine was a good upgrade!

We still kept the 9835 in "flat" setting 'coz we know that in a week or two, we would be comparing it to the Pioneer 880PRS when it arrives. We thought that we would also audition the 880PRS in flat settings.

A week after we installed the 9835, I had a unique opportunity in changing my Focal 165V2 front speakers into Hertz Mille MLK165 - now that is definitely a great upgrade!

Now that you know the changes that transpired while waiting for the 880PRS.....lets get back to auditioning it.

The 880 was "grainy", at flat settings - it somehow has a boost in both the high & low frequencies. Subwoofer output was strong, but the tweets were bright & kinda harsh. We also needed about 25% more volume on the 880 to be at par with the Alpine........and I thought the 880 had a stronger 5v preout compared to the Alpine's 4v.

Overall, the 880 wasnt smooth - the edges was somewhat jagged, not smooth & rounded as the Alpine. Due to both the high/low boost, we lost some details in the middle & we had to backtrack a bit in order to check if those details were present.

While I'm sure it could be massaged more with using its 16 independent L&R EQ, I was just dissapointed with it to continue.

My installer & I had great expectations coming from the 880.....sadly, it left us both dissapointed.

I've been a Pioneer user most my life........so i think its time to change.