capacitor question

[80_Cutlass_mn 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Killa sin how do i hook up the remote lead?

First off is there a another post on top that is smaller than the others, if there is then it is the remote turn on. Then when the cap is done charging the right way (+to +, - to -) hook it up and run a wire from the + to the remote and see if the caps display comes on, if it does then it may be alright

 

[Killa sin 10+ year member]

there is a screw in between the 2 posts is that it

 

[80_Cutlass_mn 10+ year member]

Originally posted by Killa sin there is a screw in between the 2 posts is that it

Yup I gurantee it is. Chrage the cap the right way and leave it hooked up and take a small wire from the + of the cap while it is still hooked up and touch it to and see if the display comes on. If it does then the cap may still work

 

[Killa sin 10+ year member]

i tryed it and nothin happened

 

[80_Cutlass_mn 10+ year member]

OH ****it that sux big dix. Guess youll have to send it back. Better luck next time

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 80_Cutlass_mn I dont think you blew it that fast either. Usually when you hook them up backwards you have a few seconds before they blow a seal on top and start to leak fluid. If that happens then yes it is shot to hell. But if it didnt leak anything then no I dont think you blew it.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Caps do not have fluid in them.Batteries do.

 

[80_Cutlass_mn 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu Caps do not have fluid in them.Batteries do.

Yes they do. Its just not as much as a fluid like batteries, its more like a gel, and it is used to keep the plates in the caps moist just like in a battery. If you dont believe me send Jlaine a PM and ask him, he will tell you the same thing.

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Originally posted by 80_Cutlass_mn Yes they do. Its just not as much as a fluid like batteries, its more like a gel, and it is used to keep the plates in the caps moist just like in a battery. If you dont believe me send Jlaine a PM and ask him, he will tell you the same thing.

I forgot, Jlaine is an 18 yr old audio god, who knows all, and when i see his certifications, school transcripts and when he is old enough to have at least 5 yrs PROFESIONAL experience i might ask him to be one of my installers.

A capacitor is a capacitor and is not made with ANY liquid WHATSOEVER. Unlessyou are looking at the brand "batcap" which isn't a Capacitor at all.

 

[80_Cutlass_mn 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu I forgot, Jlaine is an 18 yr old audio god, who knows all, and when i see his certifications, school transcripts and when he is old enough to have at least 5 yrs PROFESIONAL experience i might ask him to be one of my installers.

 

A capacitor is a capacitor and is not made with ANY liquid WHATSOEVER. Unlessyou are looking at the brand "batcap" which isn't a Capacitor at all.

OK go ahead and believe what you wanna believe, but trust me they have some fluid in them. I know cuz ive taken one apart and have seen them start to leak and explode before. I know this cuz I am in computer electronics and we have car audio amps come in all the time with busted and leaking caps. In fact go ahead and ask anyone who knows alot about them and had been in competitions before. I gurantee you they have fluid in them. If you dont believe me then fine, im not going to argue cuz I dont feel like it but trust me they have fluid in them.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu I forgot, Jlaine is an 18 yr old audio god, who knows all, and when i see his certifications, school transcripts and when he is old enough to have at least 5 yrs PROFESIONAL experience i might ask him to be one of my installers.

 

A capacitor is a capacitor and is not made with ANY liquid WHATSOEVER. Unlessyou are looking at the brand "batcap" which isn't a Capacitor at all.

You are completely incorrect, and obviously do not know anything about the design of car audio (very large storage) capacitors at all.

Next time don't attempt to insult me unless you actually know what you are talking about, and be darn sure I'm around to read it so that I have the proper chance to respond in kind. And you are right, I don't have 5 years professional experience, I have 7.

To further back up my point, just how in the world to you expect a capacitor to work to the 1F mark without the electrolytic solution? Typically made of ethylene glycol, a very inert almost gel-like substance, that helps pass the current between plates. Why do you think the gel plug is contained in all large storage capacitors?

This link will help spell it out for you, Perry did enough background information on the design of a capacitor to blow your attempt to discredit it out of the water.

http://www.eatel.net/~amptech/elecdisc/capacitr.htm

And if that doesn't get the point across, go buy a 1 farad cap, and cut it apart.

 

[jr15 10+ year member]

if i charge a capacitor once....will it stay charged for good?

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

"And if that doesn't get the point across, go buy a 1 farad cap, and cut it apart."

I have cut them apart before.I have one cut in half sitting on my display case at my store.

The 2 "plates" are actually like aluminum foil separated by a paper-like material they are very long and rolled up. The electrolytic solution is a "PASTE"(not a liquid) that is spread between the paper and foil.The diagram in that wonderful websight shows this.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu "And if that doesn't get the point across, go buy a 1 farad cap, and cut it apart."

 

I have cut them apart before.I have one cut in half sitting on my display case at my store.

 

The 2 "plates" are actually like aluminum foil separated by a paper-like material they are very long and rolled up. The electrolytic solution is a "PASTE"(not a liquid) that is spread between the paper and foil.The diagram in that wonderful websight shows this.

The electrolytic solution is a GEL, hence the term gel-plug. Go disconnect a 1 farad cap and connect it backward, you'll find that GEL flying out at you at rapid speeds. Without it you'd be picking pieces of shrapnel out of your side when the capacitor decided to erupt. They vary in consistency to almost liquid form, but being classified as a gel, it is still cosidered a LIQUID. I had one explode inside a 300/300 AC Tig machine last week. There was GEL all over the internal case where the capacitor ruptured and failed.

Therefore, you are incorrect. There is indeed a liquid inside the unit.

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Originally posted by jlaine The electrolytic solution is a GEL, hence the term gel-plug. Go disconnect a 1 farad cap and connect it backward, you'll find that GEL flying out at you at rapid speeds. Without it you'd be picking pieces of shrapnel out of your side when the capacitor decided to erupt. They vary in consistency to almost liquid form, but being classified as a gel, it is still cosidered a LIQUID. I had one explode inside a 300/300 AC Tig machine last week. There was GEL all over the internal case where the capacitor ruptured and failed.

 

Therefore, you are incorrect. There is indeed a liquid inside the unit.

Ya know what? You probably have NO Technical Education or schooling, You have only a couple years experience, you probably have trophies(but only from shows that only had 3 cars in your class) and you are the most FULL of Himself A$$ hole i have ever come across. you make this forum **** more and more everytime you put your fingers to the keyboard.

 

[zane 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu Ya know what? You probably have NO Technical Education or schooling, You have only a couple years experience, you probably have trophies(but only from shows that only had 3 cars in your class) and you are the most FULL of Himself A$$ hole i have ever come across.

Excuse me? Josh happens to be a personal friend of mine, and for you to spout off in this mannor merely shows your own inability to grasp the factual information present, and lack of maturity.

Care to do some more reading?

http://momentum.soundillusions.net/january01/january2001meetmemberjosh.html

This is an excerpt from Momentum Online Magazine that gives you a small insight into Mr. Laine's Technical Education involving Car Audio, and all electronics in general. Yes- it is very basic, and comes nowhere near close to describing his experience and knowledge in this industry; however, that article was not intended to be a complete technical summary of his skills. This article is also well over 2 years old too.

Also may want to ask yourself this ftgu, would Adire Audio seriously Authorize someone that has "No Technical Education and only a couple of years of experience?"

Logically, it would not be smart on thier part to do so, if that was the case.

Clearly its not.

you make this forum **** more and more everytime you put your fingers to the keyboard.

Josh has been of great assistance to many on this forum and several others. There are a good number of people that would vehemently disagree with you on this issue. Myself included.

I'll leave the rest to Mr. Laine. However, be very clear and think before you speak.

take it easy,

-zane