Cali is the place for criminals

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

My company (Mad Dog Bail Bonds) will probably close down because we lived off of posession arrests and petit theft/burglary which is now just something youll get cited for.

What about the obese? Will theft/burglary be a felony for them? It should be.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

Good for you for changing your life. As you said you definitely are one of the lucky ones who understood consequences. An active addicts brain works differently than a non active addict. An addict can and will justify anything. If your at the point to steal for your addiction laws don't make much of a difference. An addict going to get money no matter what lol.All I'm saying is the system in place isn't working. It's definitely time to try other routes/laws. I'm not saying making most non violent crimes not a felony is the best idea, but it's worth a try. Most drug addicts aren't children. Their records will not be expunged. Once you have a record it's extremely hard to get a good job, get loans, be able to go to school, get housing, and many other things. I don't feel an addicts entire life should be based off of what they did when they were using. Many kids in my rehab clinic that I volunteer at after being a patient myself since I was a child have been clean for years. But because of their felonies (most of which weren't violent crimes. More theft cases) aren't able to recieve good opportunities. They try their hardest to better themselves but their records only allow them to do so much.

A better idea instead of making most non violent crimes non felonies would be offer an alternative to people caught doing crimes. We need more implications of drug courts. Ex- if you complete treatment, stay clean, don't commit more crimes all charges will be dropped. That would be the smartest way to go about fixing criminals.

So you see 100 people with 30-90 days clean. How many 1 year? 5 years? 10+ years? Almost anything on a criminal record can be erased after enough time.

I'd think it's fair to say that considering the rate of people who get clean, stay clean and die clean vs. the people who get clean than go back to getting high, an employer or whatever is certainly taking risk dealing with a junkie with a criminal record.

 

[™Caveman 10+ year member]

What about the obese? Will theft/burglary be a felony for them? It should be.

I'm glad I'm just overweight...

 

[thatguy12 10+ year member]

So you see 100 people with 30-90 days clean. How many 1 year? 5 years? 10+ years? Almost anything on a criminal record can be erased after enough time.
I'd think it's fair to say that considering the rate of people who get clean, stay clean and die clean vs. the people who get clean than go back to getting high, an employer or whatever is certainly taking risk dealing with a junkie with a criminal record.

I definitely see 25- 50 new people every month and then usually people stay until they get a couple years clean or feel comfortable. There's probably 15 people who have over 5 years clean. At that point though you are a mentor (like I am) or else you stop going.

no doubt an employer should feel nervous hiring a junkie. I feel you have to earn trust back. I would never say a dude who steals should get his record expunged right away. I feel if you have proven yourself for years you deserve to have your past cleaned up one way or another so more opportunities can be made.

very few people get clean right away. I forgot the exact number for averege relapses before someone gets clean, but it's over ten relapses before an addict stops using (on average everyone is different.)

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

I definitely see 25- 50 new people every month and then usually people stay until they get a couple years clean or feel comfortable. There's probably 15 people who have over 5 years clean. At that point though you are a mentor (like I am) or else you stop going.no doubt an employer should feel nervous hiring a junkie. I feel you have to earn trust back. I would never say a dude who steals should get his record expunged right away. I feel if you have proven yourself for years you deserve to have your past cleaned up one way or another so more opportunities can be made.

very few people get clean right away. I forgot the exact number for averege relapses before someone gets clean, but it's over ten relapses before an addict stops using (on average everyone is different.)

Of course I knew the answers before I asked, but that's sort of my point. After a decade of not being a shithead almost anything can be expunged from a criminal record anyway. Do you think it's safe to say that people who make the 10 year mark are highly unlikely to go back to using, while people with 0-3 years are in and out like a fiddler's elbow?

All this aside, the ONLY reason that a lot of stuff is illegal in the first place is to allow police PC to do searches and various fishing expeditions to look for "bigger" crimes. I don't think there's many cops that believe that if weed was completely legal tomorrow that society would crumble, but they know "I smelled grass" will get them in the door of someone's car or find the ID of someone with a warrant or whatever.

That being said, I'll wager the average shitbird petty criminal won't even show up for court or pay fines anyway and will turn their wrist-slap into a felony anyway, so for the most part this is only going to delay the inevitable.