These guys are known for shadyness. I personally know an individual who paid TOP DOLLAR for some "new" JL equipment that ended up being used and damaged. Needless to say, they reluctantly admitted fault and replaced the equipment, but ****... can't we get love in the city of O! Check out the BASSMENT in the nard. The owner "David" gave me sound advice and a great price for my ride. I'm happy I was recommended to him. 805-212-2060