Bigbangtheory........?

[Customkilla23]

wtf?

evolution i mean, lol

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

Sometimes, people do not act in their long-term best interest. It's funny how the economics side of this discussion does lean toward a religious focus, absent a God. I do believe that the fundamentals of the bible are good. The whole God's existance thing bothers me. I am not sure he is necessary if people did the right thing...

Well I think that religion is not necessary to be "moral" and its definitely achievable without religion.This might not make sense to some of you. Your morality is defined by the authority of a deity. No deity, no morality.

 

[Pioneer~Saturn 5,000+ posts]

My point was that the cumulative knowledge of humans over thousands of years leading to new discoveries which we percieve as being so much more impressive than their ancient counterparts, do not in any way signify an increase in intelligence, or 'smartness'.

Big x2

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

It sounds like faith is the conclusion //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif


Comes back to the basis of what you believe in. Selfish intention? Or the desire to do what is right? (which is a whole other equally debatable concept in itself)

I believe selfish intention can be doing the right thing. As in my previous story about the guy running out of gas. I did that because I am selfish, not because God told me to do it.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I believe that at some point, perhaps later in life, faith will come to you.

This is what bother's me. Previously you mentioned that "god" is not holding a gun to anyone's head to make them believe, implying that it doesn't matter what people believe and that it's "just a faith", but later you imply that you're belief is better than mine. That's my #1 issue in religion. I've never seen an aesthetic "oppress" a religious person for their beliefs, they just back their claims up in a debate like this one. But those religious people usually end up doing the opposite.

 

[Customkilla23]

This is what bother's me. Previously you mentioned that "god" is not holding a gun to anyone's head to make them believe, implying that it doesn't matter what people believe and that it's "just a faith", but later you imply that you're belief is better than mine. That's my #1 issue in religion. I've never seen an aesthetic "oppress" a religious person for their beliefs, they just back their claims up in a debate like this one. But those religious people usually end up doing the opposite.

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[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Well I think that religion is not necessary to be "moral" and its definitely achievable without religion.This might not make sense to some of you. Your morality is defined by the authority of a deity. No deity, no morality.

I believe 100% that you can be moral without the belief of a God. However, I don't see it very often, leads me to believe it's often not that case.

I also believe that God in someway makes himself present in people's lives who don't believe in him, but do believe in good and selflessness.

Do starving children in africa who have never been exposed to the ideas of God go to hell when they die? I don't believe so.

God is, I believe, above all, reasonable, merciful, and forgiving. And he see's your true intentions, not necessarily the outcome of your actions.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I believe selfish intention can be doing the right thing. As in my previous story about the guy running out of gas. I did that because I am selfish, not because God told me to do it.

That's not the rule though. I was at a gas station once and someone asked me if they I could give them a jump for their car. Neither of us had cables so I went home and grabbed some (his issue was more than just a dead battery, but that's irrelevant). I had no selfish reason for doing that, and it had nothing to do with any god as I don't believe in god. I did it simply because I wanted to help someone out.

 

[MmatsDude 10+ year member]

Indeed. I think it's human nature to seek a conclusion. My argument doesn't have a conclusion...perhaps faith is what leads to a conclusion.

If I am getting this right, you are saying that faith covers cases of uncertainty...where there is no obligation to produce reasons and/or justifications for holding or acting on 'such and such' belief. Yet, sir, I am apprehending that there must be a dividing line where this 'general faith' must end - right? say, a person's having faith in the promise of God's redemption of one's sins and eternal life everlasting? It seems to me that this is a critical loophole...

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

there is a better chance of us being created from creationism than god.

creationism is the belief that god created us...

Are you endofdays?

 

[Customkilla23]

I believe 100% that you can be moral without the belief of a God. However, I don't see it very often, leads me to believe it's often not that case.I also believe that God in someway makes himself present in people's lives who don't believe in him, but do believe in good and selflessness.

Do starving children in africa who have never been exposed to the ideas of God go to hell when they die? I don't believe so.

God is, I believe, above all, reasonable, merciful, and forgiving. And he see's your true intentions, not necessarily the outcome of your actions.

It's funny that you mention that, i hear many people who say that if it wasn't for god they would be dead from overdose or something like that. Have you ever heard of stories where people see the light before they die? Do you think that is true, or do you think they are just that into religion that there minds tell them to see such thing? Also, i have no idea why the sick people from africa are even put on earth, if god is real then why would he do that, what is he trying to prove?

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

If I am getting this right, you are saying that faith covers cases of uncertainty...where there is no obligation to produce reasons and/or justifications for holding or acting on 'such and such' belief. Yet, sir, I am apprehending that there must be a dividing line where this 'general faith' must end - right? say, a person's having faith in the promise of God's redemption of one's sins and eternal life everlasting? It seems to me that this is a critical loophole...

Yes. There is a difference. I stay on the "general faith" side of the line...because that (imo) is my logical endpoint. The other side of that line requires a "leap" of faith I cannot muster. I find that side of the line very conflicting.

Very good job of articulating that.. +1 rep for you.

 

[Customkilla23]

creationism is the belief that god created us...




Are you endofdays?

i meant evolution. i edited in the next post. sorry

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

This is what bother's me. Previously you mentioned that "god" is not holding a gun to anyone's head to make them believe, implying that it doesn't matter what people believe and that it's "just a faith", but later you imply that you're belief is better than mine. That's my #1 issue in religion. I've never seen an aesthetic "oppress" a religious person for their beliefs, they just back their claims up in a debate like this one. But those religious people usually end up doing the opposite.

It is for God to decide what happens to who, and who deserves what. It is up to him to judge each and every one of us. We are not qualified to do so.

I do not mean to oppress in any way, and I am actually trying to show my understanding of other points of view, as much as I can without saying that they are completely acceptable (to not believe in God). I will not punish or try to punish you for not believing, that is not my job. I will however try and help someone who I see is about to be hit by a car. Same concept, in the eyes of someone who believes in God (although not necessarily as direly urgent and of such immediate concern).

I believe selfish intention can be doing the right thing. As in my previous story about the guy running out of gas. I did that because I am selfish, not because God told me to do it.

Indeed it can, but is it the exception, or is it the norm? And I don't believe that the 'right' thing is easily definable and black and white, as 'what god tells you'. It's a very complex concept in itself.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

That's not the rule though. I was at a gas station once and someone asked me if they I could give them a jump for their car. Neither of us had cables so I went home and grabbed some (his issue was more than just a dead battery, but that's irrelevant). I had no selfish reason for doing that, and it had nothing to do with any god as I don't believe in god. I did it simply because I wanted to help someone out.

I define that as selfish. You wanted to help someone out? Why?

Perhaps you believe that you action benefits society....

Perhaps my definition of selfishness is different. I do not believe it to be an inherently bad thing.