Bigbangtheory........?

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Sometimes, people do not act in their long-term best interest. It's funny how the economics side of this discussion does lean toward a religious focus, absent a God. I do believe that the fundamentals of the bible are good. The whole God's existance thing bothers me. I am not sure he is necessary if people did the right thing...

I believe that everybody pays the true cost of their decisions and actions eventually. Whether through what people would refer to as Karma, or through judgment before God.

The existence of God in the first place is a tough thing, and it is kinda convenient how the fact that you cannot prove his existence is built in to his definition.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

I think religion and God are two different questions.

 

[Customkilla23]

I think religion and God are two different questions.

Me too

now that i think of it, maybe they are not related in any way.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

The existence of God in the first place is a tough thing, and it is kinda convenient how the fact that you cannot prove his existence is built in to his definition.

I just find the argument similar to that of the police. He/They are required because people do not always make the optimal choice. He gave us the power to make the less than optimal choice. Had he not given us that power, he would not be necessary. He had to give us that choice to provide value to his existance. That is what I have a problem with...it seems conceited.

 

[mike11202 10+ year member]

Me too
now that i think of it, maybe they are not related in any way.

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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I believe that everybody pays the true cost of their decisions and actions eventually. Whether through what people would refer to as Karma, or through judgment before God.

People need an explanation for outcomes.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

I just find the argument similar to that of the police. He/They are required because people do not always make the optimal choice. He gave us the power to make the less than optimal choice. Had he not given us that power, he would not be necessary. He had to give us that choice to provide value to his existance. That is what I have a problem with...it seems conceited.

As it goes, God originally created a world without pain and without hell/etc.

People did not honor his request, so he created hell and the suffering that we now know as life

Christians know this as the story of adam and eve.

 

[Customkilla23]

I just find the argument similar to that of the police. He/They are required because people do not always make the optimal choice. He gave us the power to make the less than optimal choice. Had he not given us that power, he would not be necessary. He had to give us that choice to provide value to his existance. That is what I have a problem with...it seems conceited.

that totally makes sense man

so he has to be real right?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Actually, I should further clarify: I think there are three main arguments.

1) Can it be known? It's the epistemological question, Ie.gnostic or agnostic

2) Does God exist? It's the theological question, Ie. theist or atheist

3) Is the individual religion (or the collective religions) sensible? Ie. religious or irreligious

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

As it goes, God originally created a world without pain and without hell/etc.
People did not honor his request, so he created hell and the suffering that we now know as life

Christians know this as the story of adam and eve.

He gave them the choice to not honor the request. If he was an all powerful God, why did he give the choice. An omnipotent being would know that people would fail to make the best choices...thus requiring his existance.

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

He had to give us that choice to provide value to his existance. That is what I have a problem with...it seems conceited.

This could be flipped

Had he not given you that choice, what would be the value of your existence? And now you are the conceited one.

 

[Customkilla23]

As it goes, God originally created a world without pain and without hell/etc.
People did not honor his request, so he created hell and the suffering that we now know as life

Christians know this as the story of adam and eve.

i don't get that part

 

[mike11202 10+ year member]

As it goes, God originally created a world without pain and without hell/etc.
People did not honor his request, so he created hell and the suffering that we now know as life

Christians know this as the story of adam and eve.

But nobody can prove that happened... anyone can make up a huge story and change the actual events that happened over time.

Like some of Homer's stories and traditional ones, they are created to teach lessons and peace.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

that totally makes sense man
so he has to be real right?

I don't know. Furthermore, if God is real, he is so great I cannot understand it even if I saw it. So, I am stuck and left with the faith that acting in my best interest is a good thing. And that God will reward me with eternal salvation based on me doing good things. I consider myself Agnostic leaning believing out of convienance.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

This could be flipped
Had he not given you that choice, what would be the value of your existence? And now you are the conceited one.

No, then we are both conceited. I am conceited because I believe choice creates value. He is conceited because the belief system is based on choice. Without choice, neither of us have value. With choice, we both have value....perhaps a symbiotic relationship...I think we are on to something here.