Biden: Wealthy Americans Must Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism

[kovemaster559 5,000+ posts]

it supposed to **** to be poor...if it didn't **** to be poor nobody would ever want to lift out of poverty

its a struggle to get out of poverty. but in a way id rather be like this then be rich. shit if i had it my way i would rather live on a farm and work my whole life . killing pigs farming and shit like that . but i think most farmers are rich . i dunno

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

ok... I'd concede that those earning more than 150k / year can and should pay 35% in Taxes; however, on the Flip side all those earning welfare must work a job (janitor/toll collector/street sweeper) and get an hourly stipend = minimum wage. Let's put America back to work if they want to or not.

2nd criteria... all those mothers with 1+ kids and on welfare must consent to taking an IUD (birth control stint that lasts 5+ years and is stored under the skin in your arm).

 

[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

**** obama,
**** biden

whiny pieces

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Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

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**** that, them poor *** people got the economy in this place in the beginning, buying houses they cant even afford with steep *** mortgages they end up not paying

the executive branch should atttempt to end welfare, and push around the legally poor and get them off their *****, not put the toll on the people who are well off and are already supporting america.

There are people that work their hands to the bone every day and can't keep the lights on. People that have to go without a phone because they have to buy food for the week. Hey, maybe those people just **** at life, and should just be left for dead right? If you're pulling in all that money, why not drop a bit more to help out those people? Not everyone getting aid from the government is a drug addicted, jobless mother who has 8 kids by 7 fathers. Some are families who are struggling to make it every day.

Republican senators & congressional figures want to authorize unjust wars all in the name of patriotism that ends up costing tax payers Billions but when there's a slight increase in their taxes its a problem

 

[loud-n-low 10+ year member]

you shouldnt be penalize for being rich. not the riches job to bail out the rest. income distribution.....typical democrat/liberal bs

 

[loud-n-low 10+ year member]

wars werent unjust to us on sept 11th were they

 

[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

wars werent unjust to us on sept 11th were they

And we're in iraq because of sept 11th right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

It just doesn't seem fit to me that for decades, the upper class citizens have had the luxury of maintaining a majority of their money with their tax cuts, while people who barely break even have been made out to be the scape goats when it comes to paying taxes. Now times have changed and we're seeking to get ourselves out of the hole we're in, and people are complaining.

Granted, people may have busted *** to get where they're at, but think about the middle class folks who have practically been paying for the country to maintain its status. Isn't there a certain level of fairness that you upper class individuals feel obligated to uphold?

Would it be better to keep squeezing the middle class?

I just don't see what a better alternative is. Maybe someone can shed some light for me.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

And we're in iraq because of sept 11th right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
It just doesn't seem fit to me that for decades, the upper class citizens have had the luxury of maintaining a majority of their money with their tax cuts, while people who barely break even have been made out to be the scape goats when it comes to paying taxes. Now times have changed and we're seeking to get ourselves out of the hole we're in, and people are complaining.

Granted, people may have busted *** to get where they're at, but think about the middle class folks who have practically been paying for the country to maintain its status. Isn't there a certain level of fairness that you upper class individuals feel obligated to uphold?

Would it be better to keep squeezing the middle class?

I just don't see what a better alternative is. Maybe someone can shed some light for me.

The upper class takes on a disproportionate amount of the tax burden already....when will enough be enough?

 

[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

Giving tax cuts to the rich is making the social pyramid harder and harder to climb, America used to be a place where you could go from having nothing to having everything, heavily taxing the poor and middle class is making that much tougher. I've had just about enough of you greedy Republicans and I've had enough of the extremely wealthy getting tax cuts. Yes, I'm mad, you know how many people in Miami and all around the nation are losing their homes? And you wealthy Republicans have the audacity to complain about paying more taxes? 4 more years of Bush FTL

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Giving tax cuts to the rich is making the social pyramid harder and harder to climb, America used to be a place where you could go from having nothing to having everything, heavily taxing the poor and middle class is making that much tougher. I've had just about enough of you greedy Republicans and I've had enough of the extremely wealthy getting tax cuts. Yes, I'm mad, you know how many people in Miami and all around the nation are losing their homes? And you wealthy Republicans have the audacity to complain about paying more taxes? 4 more years of Bush FTL

That right there is the problem. People wanting to go from having nothing to having everything. Those people are the greedy ones, wanting something not deserved. Only the very few will get to have everything, the way its always been and the way it will always be.

Alot of people are losing their houses because they were greedy. Instead of living in a modest home that would suffice for their family they wanted "everything", they then went on to rack things up on credit they didn't need. People living beyond their means is nobody's fault but their own.

Feel free to throw out the "greedy" word but be sure to point it at the correct group of people.

This is from 2001 but I'm sure its still similar and I'm not digging to get recent data but the top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes...tell me how the upper class is not already over-giving to the pool...

 

[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

If you're taxing the rich so heavily that their net incomes come to fall in line with the net incomes of the average American, then I can see the legitimacy of a argument. But that's not the case here.

Having the Fed give out loans to corporations and write "stimulus checks" to individuals is like putting a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches: you're taking more money, increasing an already ballooning federal deficit . . . all that does at the end of the day is give a quick-fix perception of improvement while actually devaluing the economy and the value of the dollar over time. As bad as things are right now there needs to be an influx of real dollars, and if somebody is going to be taxed higher the smarter/safer thing for the economy as a whole is to tax higher those that will feel it the least, i.e. the upper 2%.

With McCain CUTTING taxes all around....how does he plan on fixing things? What other areas will face cuts due to the reduced amount of money coming in? Education or Health Care?

It's not like Obama does not plan to use this money accordingly - he want's to bring health care to all and increase education for all - both of these lead to a better country down the line. That is the real national security issue IMO.

McCain says raising taxes is bad for big corporations, that it will decrease the amount of jobs? Greedy anyone? are we serious? It's not like the wealthy CEO's will give more jobs to people since taxes are down 4.4%, they will just buy more property with that increase in net salary....this money will not, and I repeat, WILL NOT urge CEO's to hire more people ....there is no logic in this.

Simply relying on the market to correct itself and to continue to give easy breaks to corporations and the like omits the fact that lef to their own devices, people will ultimately come to look out for themselves first and only, which undermines the fundamental principles underlying a democratic form of government such as ours. It's not a matter of being communist to release some autonomy in exchange for security and protection (and I'm not talking about terrorists here). Read some of the old Federalist papers. Look up John Locke's "state of nature" from his Second Treatise on Civil Government and he and Rousseao's writing ons social contract theory. Those are the things our government was founded on. Trading a little bit of ourselves and sacrificing some potential success we'd enjoy in a Darwinian society of natural selection in exchange for a government providing order and security.

Woo. 12 minutes to type all that up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

If you're taxing the rich so heavily that their net incomes come to fall in line with the net incomes of the average American, then I can see the legitimacy of a argument. But that's not the case here.
Having the Fed give out loans to corporations and write "stimulus checks" to individuals is like putting a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches: you're taking more money, increasing an already ballooning federal deficit . . . all that does at the end of the day is give a quick-fix perception of improvement while actually devaluing the economy and the value of the dollar over time. As bad as things are right now there needs to be an influx of real dollars, and if somebody is going to be taxed higher the smarter/safer thing for the economy as a whole is to tax higher those that will feel it the least, i.e. the upper 2%.

With McCain CUTTING taxes all around....how does he plan on fixing things? What other areas will face cuts due to the reduced amount of money coming in? Education or Health Care?

It's not like Obama does not plan to use this money accordingly - he want's to bring health care to all and increase education for all - both of these lead to a better country down the line. That is the real national security issue IMO.

McCain says raising taxes is bad for big corporations, that it will decrease the amount of jobs? Greedy anyone? are we serious? It's not like the wealthy CEO's will give more jobs to people since taxes are down 4.4%, they will just buy more property with that increase in net salary....this money will not, and I repeat, WILL NOT urge CEO's to hire more people ....there is no logic in this.

Simply relying on the market to correct itself and to continue to give easy breaks to corporations and the like omits the fact that lef to their own devices, people will ultimately come to look out for themselves first and only, which undermines the fundamental principles underlying a democratic form of government such as ours. It's not a matter of being communist to release some autonomy in exchange for security and protection (and I'm not talking about terrorists here). Read some of the old Federalist papers. Look up John Locke's "state of nature" from his Second Treatise on Civil Government and he and Rousseao's writing ons social contract theory. Those are the things our government was founded on. Trading a little bit of ourselves and sacrificing some potential success we'd enjoy in a Darwinian society of natural selection in exchange for a government providing order and security.

Woo. 12 minutes to type all that up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Hate to say it but thats 12 minutes of fail....to say it again "the top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes" The upper class is already dumping loads of money into the pool. They are giving more than just a little bit of themselves to support this country.

I agree current government spending and "rebate checks" are pretty **** dumb...but the upper class doesn't owe any extra responsibility to that than the lower/middle does.

Quit being greedy and assuming over taxing the rich is the right answer just because its the best deal for you.

Tax corporations more and watch job losses and pay cuts all over the place. You think those top execs are going to let their salary or quarterly earnings reports suffer just because Obama wants to tax them? No way....they will cut employees, salaries, and benefits until it accounts for the new tax burden.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

2nd criteria... all those mothers with 1+ kids and on welfare must consent to taking an IUD (birth control stint that lasts 5+ years and is stored under the skin in your arm).

Ummm... do you know what the letters IUD stand for?

 

[mcsoul 10+ year member]

If you're taxing the rich so heavily that their net incomes come to fall in line with the net incomes of the average American, then I can see the legitimacy of a argument. But that's not the case here.
Having the Fed give out loans to corporations and write "stimulus checks" to individuals is like putting a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches: you're taking more money, increasing an already ballooning federal deficit . . . all that does at the end of the day is give a quick-fix perception of improvement while actually devaluing the economy and the value of the dollar over time. As bad as things are right now there needs to be an influx of real dollars, and if somebody is going to be taxed higher the smarter/safer thing for the economy as a whole is to tax higher those that will feel it the least, i.e. the upper 2%.

With McCain CUTTING taxes all around....how does he plan on fixing things? What other areas will face cuts due to the reduced amount of money coming in? Education or Health Care?

It's not like Obama does not plan to use this money accordingly - he want's to bring health care to all and increase education for all - both of these lead to a better country down the line. That is the real national security issue IMO.

McCain says raising taxes is bad for big corporations, that it will decrease the amount of jobs? Greedy anyone? are we serious? It's not like the wealthy CEO's will give more jobs to people since taxes are down 4.4%, they will just buy more property with that increase in net salary....this money will not, and I repeat, WILL NOT urge CEO's to hire more people ....there is no logic in this.

Simply relying on the market to correct itself and to continue to give easy breaks to corporations and the like omits the fact that lef to their own devices, people will ultimately come to look out for themselves first and only, which undermines the fundamental principles underlying a democratic form of government such as ours. It's not a matter of being communist to release some autonomy in exchange for security and protection (and I'm not talking about terrorists here). Read some of the old Federalist papers. Look up John Locke's "state of nature" from his Second Treatise on Civil Government and he and Rousseao's writing ons social contract theory. Those are the things our government was founded on. Trading a little bit of ourselves and sacrificing some potential success we'd enjoy in a Darwinian society of natural selection in exchange for a government providing order and security.

Woo. 12 minutes to type all that up //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

You are exactly wrong, cutting taxes increases revenue to the state and job growth at the same time. Throwing money at an education system awash in cash is like throwing billions in a wishing well. The whole education system needs privatization, not more money. There are no very poor citizens that do not already qualify for free health care under existing programs.

These ideas you have are more in effect a wedge to get people to vote on class lines (class warfare) and feel okay about sticking it to the "other" guy. In effect raising taxes on the wealthy does net harm to the poor by helping them lose job oppertunities. Also these class warfare ideals of the democrat party foster notions that "rich white folks" don't care about you and you will never get a fair chance in the US anyways, when that could not be further from the truth.

 

[eggyhustles 10+ year member]

At the end of the day the rich are grossing $350,000.00 instead of $375,000.00. THIS WILL NOT BREAK THE RICH, NOR WILL IT MAKE THE LESS-FORTUNATE RICH. No lie, i respect the fact that those who are well off worked their behinds off for what they have, but this is straight greed.

Btw this doesn't benefit me at all. my dad is in the 300K bracket(even though i rarely see any of it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif ) I just have no trouble helping out the unfortunate. I guess its not American at all, just humane

 

[Anthony Collova 10+ year member]

America used to be a place where you could go from having nothing to having everything.

It still is. You just have to get to the point where you can stop making excuses for yourself and do what it takes to make it. Stop blaming others and start accepting responsibility for your self and get it done.

...heavily taxing the poor and middle class is making that much tougherI've had just about enough of you greedy Republicans and I've had enough of the extremely wealthy getting tax cuts.

I think you missed the point..

The poor are not heavily taxed.

The middle class is moderately taxed,

and the rich are over taxed.

Even if they gave the rich twice as much of a tax break as they already have it they would still be paying a much higher percentage than the middle class.

Yes, I'm mad, you know how many people in Miami and all around the nation are losing their homes?

What does the houseing crisis have to do with over taxing the poor or the rich?

Not a valid argument

And you wealthy Republicans have the audacity to complain about paying more taxes? 4 more years of Bush FTL

Audacity is the wrong word. THe correct word is right.

Try giving half of what you make to a broken system that reinforced a bullshit redistribution plan.