Biden: Wealthy Americans Must Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism

[spencer321 10+ year member]

my point was;

it is cheaper for rent/morgage in west virginia, but the ave wage is less for the same job as in california...

california has a higher cost for rent/morgage but you make a substansial amount more in california then you do in west virginia...

so your earning vs expendature remains virtually constant regardless of where you live given the same job...

/thread...

i disagree, i'm going to use an example that i have personal experience with. mechanical engineering tech in palm bay makes 40k a year, in ft lauderdale 50k a year, but you can get a nice 3/2 1500sq ft house in palm bay for 110k, where as in ft lauderdale you can't touch a decent 3/2 house for under 200k

another example, my sister just bought a house, 2 story, 2 car garage, 4 bed 2.5 bath, 2600sq ft in a nice gated community in west melbourne for 185k, the same house in ANY neighborhood in broward county would have been 350k plus and she is a nurse, she makes 50k a year, i don't know any nurses in ft lauderdale making 90k a year

the cost of living to wages is not linear its exponential, the more metro you get the higher the cost of living compared to wages you get.

another example mother works for a software company as an engineer, they offered her a 15% wage increase to transfer to virginia, the cost of living was 40% greater.

and this is going to come across as a real simple and easy way of doing it so please someone tell me why it wouldnt work. but why couldn't tax everyone equally? i mean its just based on a percentage of income. i know everyone thinks the rich people have the money so they should be willing to pay more but thats not really fair. and at the same time its not fair to give them a tax break because lets face it of all people they can afford it.

 

[Jmac 10+ year member]

WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”
Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.

Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.

“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.

“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”

The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/18/biden-wealthy-americans-must-pay-more-taxes-to-show-patriotism/

... Socialism ... The new face of American patriotism ...
Not that I'm against socialism, it's just not what America was founded on ...

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

If I were to pay a higher percentage of taxes than someone who makes less money than me, I would expect to recieve special, better treatment by the government.

Say you were in a store that sold widgets. The person in front of you bought one, and it costed him $1.00. You hear the cashier ring him up, and you see widgets are only $1. What a deal. You grab your dollar bill, and walk up to the register. "Your total is $4.00, sir". You are buying the same exact widget as the guy before you. Same product, same service, same location, same everything. No reason it should cost more for you than it does for him.

If you made 75k a year, and the person in front of you made 20k a year, wouldnt you expect to still pay the same set price for a homogenous good? Price discrimination is illegal. Everyone pays the same for a good. The services the government provides is a good, and noone should pay different amounts for the same service. Its illegal and immoral in other senses, and should be in this one.

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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

O.k. per the BLS
construction and extraction (general)

wv=19.42

ny=16.25

nc=14.46

ca=22.25

difference of 8.00/hr on 2080hr work year or 16,640.00/yr

I will investigate the results later...or not. I have to go to class soon. But notice the very slight difference in wages between CA and WV...where the cost of living is no where near the same.

That's a big difference. I thought you were trying to prove that the cost of living is the same pretty much everywhere?

Mike, I said it was quite a difference, flipx had done research on the ave wage of a blue collar worker across the country and I did some research to find the same job in 4 different parts of the country had a difference in pay of 1,000.00/month But the research was apparently not upto flipx standards as I used an accountant which is not a blue collar worker, then used a jr carpenter and that was not acceptable because i used salary.com for my info so I used his research site of the BLS and found out it was much more then 1,000.00 month it was 1387.00/mth for a construction worker/extracter job...
i am not a moron, I might be old and stubborn, but not unintelligent and did look into the numbers i posted...I was doing it fast and just trying to make a point...This debate has skewed way off the taxation of the rich topic this started as...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

I also conceded that i was wrong about the electricity, but per the nebraska gov website it shows ave of 9.5/kwhr and high other then alaska/hawaii was 16 and lowest was 5 or 6...Like i said, i was doing the research fast but the numbers are good , research material might not be...Like I have said more then once, it was a general stateement, but i still stand behind it and that is cost of living besides rent/morgage is basically the same across the country and depending on where you live the wage you recieve for the same job will keep the earning to expendature ratio approx the same...I have done everything I can to prove what i am saying isn't a bunch of shit, but no matter what I provide as proof it is considered wrong information...So **** it...let you people believe what you want but I have proven my side of it, noone has given any proof to disprove any of my info...

I don't think so. Are you suggesting that a person in CA who has $22 can purchase the same amount of goods and services a person in WV can with $19? This is what you are suggesting.

i agree completely, never said 1000.00/month wasn't a substantial amount of money either...Not sure what you think i said but I just went through all my posts in this thread and never once said 1000.00/mth was not a substantial increase in pay...
my point was;

it is cheaper for rent/morgage in west virginia, but the ave wage is less for the same job as in california...

california has a higher cost for rent/morgage but you make a substansial amount more in california then you do in west virginia...

so your earning vs expendature remains virtually constant regardless of where you live given the same job...

my point in a nutshell, nothing ever stated other then that and have proven it with research and other then electricity, i have been correct...

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But how much cheaper?

I wish I had internet at home...

 

[Spectrum]

FUCK YOU! ADAM!

If I were to pay a higher percentage of taxes than someone who makes less money than me, I would expect to recieve special, better treatment by the government.
Say you were in a store that sold widgets. The person in front of you bought one, and it costed him $1.00. You hear the cashier ring him up, and you see widgets are only $1. What a deal. You grab your dollar bill, and walk up to the register. "Your total is $4.00, sir". You are buying the same exact widget as the guy before you. Same product, same service, same location, same everything. No reason it should cost more for you than it does for him.

If you made 75k a year, and the person in front of you made 20k a year, wouldnt you expect to still pay the same set price for a homogenous good? Price discrimination is illegal. Everyone pays the same for a good. The services the government provides is a good, and noone should pay different amounts for the same service. Its illegal and immoral in other senses, and should be in this one.

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exactly...discrimination is illegal and the government has to go by the constitution so they are breaking the laws they set

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

exactly...discrimination is illegal and the government has to go by the constitution so they are breaking the laws they set

Good thing they never do THAT any other time...

 

[Banana Balls 5,000+ posts]

discrimination is illegal

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[allout13 10+ year member]

Good thing they never do THAT any other time...

two wrongs make a right?

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

two wrongs make a right?

I'm saying you can't really use that as a good reason for not doing it...

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

i disagree, i'm going to use an example that i have personal experience with. mechanical engineering tech in palm bay makes 40k a year, in ft lauderdale 50k a year, but you can get a nice 3/2 1500sq ft house in palm bay for 110k, where as in ft lauderdale you can't touch a decent 3/2 house for under 200k
another example, my sister just bought a house, 2 story, 2 car garage, 4 bed 2.5 bath, 2600sq ft in a nice gated community in west melbourne for 185k, the same house in ANY neighborhood in broward county would have been 350k plus and she is a nurse, she makes 50k a year, i don't know any nurses in ft lauderdale making 90k a year

the cost of living to wages is not linear its exponential, the more metro you get the higher the cost of living compared to wages you get.

another example mother works for a software company as an engineer, they offered her a 15% wage increase to transfer to virginia, the cost of living was 40% greater.

and this is going to come across as a real simple and easy way of doing it so please someone tell me why it wouldnt work. but why couldn't tax everyone equally? i mean its just based on a percentage of income. i know everyone thinks the rich people have the money so they should be willing to pay more but thats not really fair. and at the same time its not fair to give them a tax break because lets face it of all people they can afford it.

You are correct, there are MANY factors deciding prices. However wages are a good place to start when you start predicting prices. In general you would see them fall in line except when there are market distortions or a unique market (such as NYC vs random suburb B)

 

[mcsoul 10+ year member]

Good thing they never do THAT any other time...

Point to a factual instance, and I will comment on it.

Otherwise the point is invalid and your assertion holds

no value.

 

[kovemaster559 5,000+ posts]

Im all for it. The previous administrations for the last, ummmm 100 years have been giving the rich tax cuts.
It sucks to be poor.

amen

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

it supposed to **** to be poor...if it didn't **** to be poor nobody would ever want to lift out of poverty

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

I'm saying you can't really use that as a good reason for not doing it...

So having the Constitution that this country is based on saying its not allowed is not reason enough?

Democrats have shitty ideals.

 

[kovemaster559 5,000+ posts]

If I were to pay a higher percentage of taxes than someone who makes less money than me, I would expect to recieve special, better treatment by the government.
Say you were in a store that sold widgets. The person in front of you bought one, and it costed him $1.00. You hear the cashier ring him up, and you see widgets are only $1. What a deal. You grab your dollar bill, and walk up to the register. "Your total is $4.00, sir". You are buying the same exact widget as the guy before you. Same product, same service, same location, same everything. No reason it should cost more for you than it does for him.

If you made 75k a year, and the person in front of you made 20k a year, wouldnt you expect to still pay the same set price for a homogenous good? Price discrimination is illegal. Everyone pays the same for a good. The services the government provides is a good, and noone should pay different amounts for the same service. Its illegal and immoral in other senses, and should be in this one.

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aggreable . but we are talkin taxes