Biden/Harris. Winners only!

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

They terk ar jerbs!

Someone's way too excited to get back to the pile.

 

[LsGuy]

All the jobs lost to Coronavirus = Trumps Fault
All the deaths due to Cornavirus and not tough enough actions = Trumps Fault
When Trump cut off foreign flights to China and other super spread countries was a racist policy = Trumps Fault

Illogical left will spin themselves into circles when they start trying to connect the dots. I can't think of a worse group of people to be leading this country in the future. In honestly makes me fearful for the country's future.... Not that Millenials and Gen Z'ers aren't already doing that to me.

Gen Z for sure, millennials not so much. Everybody throws that term out, but the oldest millenails are 40 now, I don't really think they are the big issue.

 

[Slo_Ride 5,000+ posts]

Some of y'all need to get a gf or a hobby. At least get out of you're mom's basement.

 

[metalheadjoe 10+ year member]

Some of y'all need to get a gf or a hobby. At least get out of you're mom's basement.

Yeah... people who don't have 27k posts on a forum are the ones without companionship and hobbies and living with their parents....

 

[Firewalker]

That pipeline was a joke from day one. It has had multiple leaks from the start, at the end of it being built, at the MOST it was going to create between 30-50 full time jobs and that is at MOST. Also there is only TWO...TWO Refineries in the WORLD that can Refine that SLUDGE! One is in the south the other is in China. That stuff absolutely DESTROYS equipment like you wouldn't believe. I've had this talk with my family who is in Oil like my one cousin who owns multiple oil pumps (rich bastard!) including my father who helped build the last refinery in the states in Elwood, IL for Mobil oil and then retired from there. He has visited that plant at one point in his life. That stuff was mainly going to benefit China at most we would have gotten around 5-10% of it as the rest was going to be shipped over there because the refinery here doesn't want to refine it because of the cost on equipment. Also we are producing more energy right now in oil then we are importing and using daily. Right now some Oil Tankers are sitting up to around 3 months minimum before being off-loaded because of the over supply we have right now.

 

[LsGuy]

That pipeline was a joke from day one. It has had multiple leaks from the start, at the end of it being built, at the MOST it was going to create between 30-50 full time jobs and that is at MOST. Also there is only TWO...TWO Refineries in the WORLD that can Refine that SLUDGE! One is in the south the other is in China. That stuff absolutely DESTROYS equipment like you wouldn't believe. I've had this talk with my family who is in Oil like my one cousin who owns multiple oil pumps (rich bastard!) including my father who helped build the last refinery in the states in Elwood, IL for Mobil oil and then retired from there. He has visited that plant at one point in his life. That stuff was mainly going to benefit China at most we would have gotten around 5-10% of it as the rest was going to be shipped over there because the refinery here doesn't want to refine it because of the cost on equipment. Also we are producing more energy right now in oil then we are importing and using daily. Right now some Oil Tankers are sitting up to around 3 months minimum before being off-loaded because of the over supply we have right now.

It may be surprising to some, but because of deals we have with other countries, we actually export a ton of our own oil. We also import a ton. It's a weird relationship. Witnessing how much oil we actually have here in the US (I work for the petroleum company who operates the largest part of the Permian basin), I was very confused by this information.

 

[Firewalker]

My dad retired from Mobil after almost 30 years. I still have cousins in the industry, my godfather retired from there as well after almost 30 years, friends, along with the one rich cousin who owns a bunch of oil pumps among other businesses. People are shocked that we export so much oil and in started under Obama which surprises even more people. Yet we import as well, yet those tankers sit for 3 months minimum if not up to 6 months in some cases because we have so much of it here now. The daily usage, output, refining of it is a lot more then we are coming close to using every day. We export it to countries who are willing to pay yet we import a bunch of it for cheaper then we sell ours for so we end up making money in the long run. If people really saw what oil companies make every year vs what they report to the public and Congress the whole country would be shocked and in arms. I've seen the Mobil Reports in public vs what gets send to employees or retired people from there...Very interesting to say the least!

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

I don't even care for Trump but this is a pretty weak arguement. Pre-covid the amount of full time jobs had gone up 5 million since he took office and was predicted to increase by another 2 million in 2020. Full time employment was one of the few parts of his administration that was pretty solid both in terms of plan and results
Under Hilarys watch we'd all still be locked down and we'd have more than 10 million jobs lost. Classic case of the grass isn't always greener on the other side

Keep trying. Hillary's watch never happened. Trump's did. 4.6 million jobs lost under his watch. He has to own it.

 

[mastershake575 10+ year member]

He has to own it.

Own what ? He didn't tell all the states to shut everything down and lay everyone off. If he was a dictator he would of pretended like Covid never happened and laid nobody off (which morally I wouldn't of agreed with but I think you understand what i'm getting at).

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Bobbyclementine, I know you didn't have any way of knowing that you hired illegal people to work for you but the same way you keep trying to hold Trump accountable for China releasing the CORONA-19 virus, we also have to hold YOU accountable for hiring illegals. You say you had no way of knowing. Trump had no way of knowing. However you think all those job losses are because it happened on his watch. Just like the hiring of illegal workers was on YOUR watch. Still want to hold Trump at fault or do you want to continue to be a hypocrite? He didn't know, you didn't know but somehow HE is a bastard for it. Come on man!

I fired illeHow did I know that I was hiring an illegal. Trump said on tape that he knew how bad the virus was. He said over 40 times on tape that the virus would disappear.

I don't even care for Trump but this is a pretty weak arguement. Pre-covid the amount of full time jobs had gone up 5 million since he took office and was predicted to increase by another 2 million in 2020. Full time employment was one of the few parts of his administration that was pretty solid both in terms of plan and results
Under Hilarys watch we'd all still be locked down and we'd have more than 10 million jobs lost. Classic case of the grass isn't always greener on the other side

All on Trump's watch. Blame whoever you want, but it was under his watch.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Own what ? He didn't tell all the states to shut everything down and lay everyone off. If he was a dictator he would of pretended like Covid never happened and laid nobody off (which morally I wouldn't of agreed with but I think you understand what i'm getting at).

He acted like it didn't exist. He said over 40 times on tape that the virus would just disappear.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Own what ? He didn't tell all the states to shut everything down and lay everyone off. If he was a dictator he would of pretended like Covid never happened and laid nobody off (which morally I wouldn't of agreed with but I think you understand what i'm getting at).

He has to own the good with the bad. Did he do some good, yes. Did he fukk up the handling of the virus, yes. He needs to own the good and the bad. That's why he lost in a landslide.

 

[mastershake575 10+ year member]

He acted like it didn't exist. He said over 40 times on tape that the virus would just disappear.

That's the point i'm making. You where complaining about his job increase promise/plan when it actually was pre-covid. Your now saying even with covid its still his fault which is stupid because he was about as lax as you could possibly get in regards to laying people off (he was one of the few supporters of NOT laying people off during Covid)

There's plenty you can rip trump on but full time employment was actually one of the few areas that wasn't bad

He has to own the good with the bad.

Agreed but full time employment wasn't a fake promise, it was one of the few things that wasn't bad in his term

 

[LsGuy]

Trump said a month in to the shut down that we needed to get the country opened back up. I totally agree. This virus is nothing, and we need to stop letting it run us.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

That's the point i'm making. You where complaining about his job increase promise/plan when it actually was pre-covid. Your now saying even with covid its still his fault which is stupid because he was about as lax as you could possibly get in regards to laying people off (he was one of the few supporters of NOT laying people off during Covid)

There's plenty you can rip trump on but full time employment was actually one of the few areas that wasn't bad

Agreed but full time employment wasn't a fake promise, it was one of the few things that wasn't bad in his term

We lost over 4.6 million jobs in his four years.