Best bet for time alignment?

[KyleScha 10+ year member]

I've been planning on getting an alpine 9835, but seeing how they are really hard to find new, are there any other options I have that wont cost a ton of money? I have maybe $250 dollars to spend. After having decent home speakers, I would really like to be able to have the speakers image. If I stick my head in between both speakers, it images great, but I cant drive like that unfortunatly.

I would also like something with an EQ. All around, my boston Pro's are working out very well for me, but it's midrange sounds very flat.

Just checking to see if there are any alternatives to the 9835 basically.

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[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

pioneer 880prs. just looking at features and the reviews, seems pretty solid. 16 graphic eq for both sides.

lil bit above your budget, can be had around ebay betwee $300-$350.

 

[MBrock4u 10+ year member]

It seems like if you want expanded eq features or time alignment it costs a preaty penny more for those type of head units.

 

[MBrock4u 10+ year member]

It seems like if you want expanded eq features or time alignment it costs a preaty penny more for those type of head units.

 

[SQChevy 10+ year member]

Spend some time playing around with speaker angles and such will help improve imaging. I know Alpine has ability to do timing corrections and is easy to use.

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

I've been planning on getting an alpine 9835, but seeing how they are really hard to find new, are there any other options I have that wont cost a ton of money? I have maybe $250 dollars to spend. After having decent home speakers, I would really like to be able to have the speakers image. If I stick my head in between both speakers, it images great, but I cant drive like that unfortunatly.
I would also like something with an EQ. All around, my boston Pro's are working out very well for me, but it's midrange sounds very flat.

Just checking to see if there are any alternatives to the 9835 basically.

just a little tip about image, when you stand at a concert, (this is where the words "image" and "stage" come from for use in car audio by the way) and you arent in the center of the crowd, the image will be to the left or right (given whatever side you are on) and the stage will be great because well, they are actually ON the stage.

now in car, its the same idea, your purpose is to mimick a live event. since you do not have a 1-seat car with the seat in the middle like a cockpit, you cant have that perfect seat in the center of an audiance, and if you time-align, your left -> center will be a different width than your center -> right.

i dunno, i dont play with time alignment because i dont like this idea. i like there to be a nice defined "middle of the car \ left, and right" when i listen to my car stereo.

so in my oppinion, get an active 3-way crossover and glass some kickpods and put some dedicated midbass drivers in there. and get some nice midbass with an active 3-way frontstage //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

lol.

 

[dkguitarist 5,000+ posts]

i second the active setup. i'm going 2-way though. lawl. also, the p860mp can do this, the eclipse 8445 (8545?) can do it, i think some kenwood excelons and a couple alpines. not sure on which tho.

 

[thadman 10+ year member]

save up a bit, the deh-p880prs is an amazing deal at $330 for what you get with it.

Eclipse decks are very nice also (8445 doesnt have 2way + sub, "3-way"). The 8053, 8443, 8454, 8455, and cd7000 do.

 

[Cris 10+ year member]

i dunno, i dont play with time alignment because i dont like this idea. i like there to be a nice defined "middle of the car \ left, and right" when i listen to my car stereo.

This statement is confusing me. I'm not understanding you. You say you want a midle of the car feeling.. but don't like the idea of using time alignment?

Time alignment was the best thing to happen to my system since amps. I love it. I feel right in the middle of the concert. On certain recordings, I can even hear the voices go around me, above me, and everything. Greatness //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

furthermore, you also state that when you are closer to one of the speakers (left... or right, whatever) than to the center it'll sound great? That's completely wrong; it'll sound one-dimentional. The best place to sit in a concert, in your car, at home, anywhere... is between the speakers, and that's what time alignment does-- it delays the sound coming from the closest speakers to you so that the farthest speakers arrive at the same time as the nearest ones, creating a 3-dimentional sound image.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

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[blue 10+ year member]

Hey FoxPro .... T/A is not just a " lazy " issue , it makes great sense. Time alignment is NOT supposed to replicate a concert at all .....

It is suppose to replicate the exact sound properties that were mixed in the recording studio. In the studio the engineer sits exactly between the pair of studio playback, mixing monitors. From here he has the power to move vocalists positioning in the recording any degree of left or right he wants to , or place the vocals exactly in stage center via equal amounts of left and right sliders. He also places EVERY recorded instrument in the soundfield from left to right according to where he , or the musicians want it to be. In other words , he is completely responsible for spacial clues in the recording. Once he is finished , the end result is EXACTLY what the artist intended , and what he hears from those studio monitors is what is intended for YOU to hear....... But , you will NOT hear it that way due to waaay less than ideal speaker placement in a car.

Time alignment delays the signal to make your speakers sound as if they are placed equal distant apart with you centered between them. Placing you where the engineer was when he finalized the sound on the CD ...

People who believe careful speaker placement will get you better results than T/A are simply wrong. Speaker placement is of the UTMOST importance , but can NEVER place you equal distance between the speakers in a car. Therefore proper T/A is NECESSARY for the ultimate in realistic soundstaging and imaging.

 

[blue 10+ year member]

Hey FoxPro .... T/A is not just a " lazy " issue , it makes great sense. Time alignment is NOT supposed to replicate a concert at all ..... It is suppose to replicate the exact sound properties that were mixed in the recording studio. In the studio the engineer sits exactly between the pair of studio playback, mixing monitors. From here he has the power to move vocalists positioning in the recording any degree of left or right he wants to , or place the vocals exactly in stage center via equal amounts of left and right sliders. He also places EVERY recorded instrument in the soundfield from left to right according to where he , or the musicians want it to be. In other words , he is completely responsible for spacial clues in the recording. Once he is finished , the end result is EXACTLY what the artist intended , and what he hears from those studio monitors is what is intended for YOU to hear....... But , you will NOT hear it that way due to waaay less than ideal speaker placement in a car.

Time alignment delays the signal to make your speakers sound as if they are placed equal distant apart with you centered between them. Placing you where the engineer was when he finalized the sound on the CD ...

People who believe careful speaker placement will get you better results than T/A are simply wrong. Speaker placement is of the UTMOST importance , but can NEVER place you equal distance between the speakers in a car. Therefore proper T/A is NECESSARY for the ultimate in realistic soundstaging and imaging.

Furthermore , I LOVE the McIntosh head units , but will NOT own one due to it not having time alignment.

 

[Cris 10+ year member]

Furthermore , I LOVE the McIntosh head units , but will NOT own one due to it not having time alignment.

did you just quote yourself? hehe //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Thanks for knowing what T/A is all about //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[blue 10+ year member]

did you just quote yourself? hehe //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
Thanks for knowing what T/A is all about //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Oh man ..... You just nailed the crud out of me , and just when i thought no-one noticed .... LOL. I meant to edit , but hit post instead. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/blush.gif.99bc659ee2012b7d826165e26fb5eebe.gif

 

[Destor 10+ year member]

well time alignment when done properly, is made to improve the soundstage for one particular seat in the car. I think that's what req meant, just having the speakers aligned properly and not using time-alignment gives a more even soundstage for all seats