*Barry Bonds HR Countdown Thread*

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

Even though I don't like A-Rod, I hope to god he erases Barroid's name from the record in the future.
Either him, or Pujols, hopefully one of them does it.

Dominican Power!!!

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[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

I am getting tired of this defending him saying roids dont help hit home runs. Yes you do have to posess the cordination and the bat control, but you also have to have the power. 

There are many HR's he has hit that very few have the power to muscle the ball out of the park. That cannot be disputed. Countless hits that would be a long fly ball for someone like Vlad, are HR's for Bonds.

 

I dislike him for who he is and how he treats fans and the media. He is not playing to help the Giants win, he is only playing to hit HR's. You will see near zero bunts from him this year to advance a batter, or minor hits to get a single or double, he is simply swinging for the fences at every at bat. I don't blame him for that, but he is not playing to win and he is not playing as a team member.

this is to you and everyone else. you guys obviously don't get it. i get to watch the man himself hit everyday and boy he doesn't get cheap shots at all. his homeruns aren't cheapies or ones that barely get over the fence. he hits line shots that have no question whether its out or not. i'm not saying he didn't take steroids, of course he did it. bonds has an eye of an eagle. he spits on 12-6 curveballs. he's a power contact hitter. in 2004 he hit more homeruns than he struckout. 46 to 41. again i'm not exusing him. but who really gives a flying f*ck if he took roids or not? you are telling me if bonds is on tv, you aren't gonna go watch him bat? he's a freaking circus show. its all about entertainment and from a fan standpoint, i could care less if his balls are the size of a marble. as long as he hits homeruns, to me, i dont care. its the old saying "if you aint cheating, you aint trying...."

also he's not gonna take bunts or play to advance the runner? are you going to see a-rod be asked to bunt? please.....if he bunts, he's actually playing into the other team's hands with the shift they play. there's not much team work to be done in baseball anyways. he's there for one reason and one reason only, to get solid base hits. thats what the 3rd and 4th batters are in a lineup are for. to drive in runs, not to advance runners and bunt. thats what the 1st and 2nd hitters are for. baseball is the most an individual sport out of all the team sports. where do you see team work? maybe okay the pitcher and catcher and maybe the short stop and 2nd basemen doing some team work but mostly its individual effort if you really look at it.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

this is to you and everyone else. you guys obviously don't get it. i get to watch the man himself hit everyday and boy he doesn't get cheap shots at all. his homeruns aren't cheapies or ones that barely get over the fence. he hits line shots that have no question whether its out or not. i'm not saying he didn't take steroids, of course he did it. bonds has an eye of an eagle. he spits on 12-6 curveballs. he's a power contact hitter. in 2004 he hit more homeruns than he struckout. 46 to 41. again i'm not exusing him. but who really gives a flying f*ck if he took roids or not? you are telling me if bonds is on tv, you aren't gonna go watch him bat? he's a freaking circus show. its all about entertainment and from a fan standpoint, i could care less if his balls are the size of a marble. as long as he hits homeruns, to me, i dont care. its the old saying "if you aint cheating, you aint trying...."
also he's not gonna take bunts or play to advance the runner? are you going to see a-rod be asked to bunt? please.....if he bunts, he's actually playing into the other team's hands with the shift they play. there's not much team work to be done in baseball anyways. he's there for one reason and one reason only, to get solid base hits. thats what the 3rd and 4th batters are in a lineup are for. to drive in runs, not to advance runners and bunt. thats what the 1st and 2nd hitters are for. baseball is the most an individual sport out of all the team sports. where do you see team work? maybe okay the pitcher and catcher and maybe the short stop and 2nd basemen doing some team work but mostly its individual effort if you really look at it.

I won't watch Bonds do it, it's a disgrace to the game.

In his first 15 seasons, he topped 40 hr's 4 times.

He's done it 4 times in the past 6 seasons since then, not including this one. If you take away 05, in which he played 14 games, that's 4 out of the past 5 seasons, he did what took him 15 seasons prior.

 

[DragonCub 10+ year member]

I HATE Bonds.

That is all.

Schilling FTMFW!!!!

 

[69420potsmoker 10+ year member]

baseball is the most an individual sport out of all the team sports.

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and wouldnt that be funny if bud selig suspends bonds indefinity when he is like 2 homers away. I think it could happen since there is an ongoing investigation or whatever.

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

I won't watch Bonds do it, it's a disgrace to the game.
In his first 15 seasons, he topped 40 hr's 4 times.

He's done it 4 times in the past 6 seasons since then, not including this one. If you take away 05, in which he played 14 games, that's 4 out of the past 5 seasons, he did what took him 15 seasons prior.

he woulda hit probably hit 50 homeruns in 1994 if it wasn't for the strike and probably again in 1999 if he didn't get hurt. also you know most players don't do anything in the league the first 2-3 seasons anyways. also he didn't become a power hitter until around 1990. your lil stat there is a bit exaggerated. also a disgrace to the game? maybe bonds might be the cream of the crop when it comes to cheating but baseball nowhere near to being clean. for goodness sake, gaylord perry is in the hall of fame and is an admitted cheat. ty cobb was a racist and a womanizer. ted williams had the exact same rep as bonds when he played during his day. he was hated by the media. also people know dam well bud selig knew what was going on and he just turned his cheek. he wanted more homeruns as baseball was getting less and less popular. he didn't do shiet. he didn't do anything until reporters started finding some hard facts about steroids and once these facts were irrefutable, he had to save face. don't say all this disgrace stuff is all his fault. he just so happened to be the best and most talened player to do steroids. he's a product of MLB's ignorance.

again, i am not making an excuse for him beaing a cheat. but i haven't watched anyone with the discipline, hand eye coordination and bat speed as barry bonds. mechanically its the perfect swing. that how he can easily generate excellent bat speed. does steroids do that? can steroids fix a bad swing? i wouldn't think so. just recently big papi himself even said that he doesn't know how much steroids can actually help.

my whole point is its not all cause of the steroids why bonds is so good. stats like on base percentage and slugging show how good he is.

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and wouldnt that be funny if bud selig suspends bonds indefinity when he is like 2 homers away. I think it could happen since there is an ongoing investigation or whatever.

LOL. explain to me how its a team game then buddy? oh the batter on deck, is giving hand signals to the batter up on what pitch is next. oh the right fielder lunges his center fielder into the ball. the shortstop mechanically helps his pitcher to throw the fastball. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif. please, there isn't much team work compared to other sports such as football, basketball and hockey.

 

[69420potsmoker 10+ year member]

Just like every other team sport what one teamate does directly effects the other. Almost every play in baseball involves 2 players or more. Relays can involve up to four players all catching/throwing/applying a tag and if one ****s up then the the whole play is ****ed. The "squeeze play" nothing requires more interaction from the manager to the players" Communicating with your teamates in baseball is more important than in other sports which could be added in the mix. If anything baseball is more team involved than most other sports

And bonds is **** good but If he would of never used steroids I bet he never even gets close to this record but who really knows. All I know is bonds is the biggest prick to ever play the game of baseball and no one but sanfransicoians? want to see him break this record. Ty cobb was a complete **** and he will end up with more respect then bonds will ever get.

 

[69420potsmoker 10+ year member]

also take a look at the yankees packed full of allstars 1-9 but the TEAM sucks

Bonds should play for the yankees...........hahahahahaha

 

[LBC99 10+ year member]

Bonds is singled out as if he was the only player to ever do steroids. Pitchers did them along with hitters. No one dare questions how Roger Clemens is still able to pitch so well at his age. Everyone did it. For people to say Bonds leaving baseball would solve the problem, they are idiots.

Evens guys like Griffey and A-Rod, they played in the same era as Bonds. You have no clue what they might have done back then. Rafael Palmeiro was probably considered a saint in baseball and he was doing it all along.

And why does it matter if you think he is an *******? If he was on your team, you wouldn't care as long as he was hitting homeruns. Fools in the NFL are getting arrested for a lot worse things and no one cares.

 

[69420potsmoker 10+ year member]

well, I do agree and I bet there is a shitload of players who used roids. I don't like them because it gives an advantage over the other guy who just plays fair.

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

also take a look at the yankees packed full of allstars 1-9 but the TEAM sucks
Bonds should play for the yankees...........hahahahahaha

oh wow you are so funny //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif.

the yankees do not ****. yea they got a nightmarish lineup but their pitching is just atrocious. you can't win if your team is giving up 6-10 runs a game, period. their bullpen isn't all that great either. you can't win without pitching and can't win a world series without pitching period. brian cashmen hasn't done his job getting enough pitching. he's constantly looking at hitters to fill instead of signing good pitchers.

Just like every other team sport what one teamate does directly effects the other. Almost every play in baseball involves 2 players or more. Relays can involve up to four players all catching/throwing/applying a tag and if one ****s up then the the whole play is ****ed. The "squeeze play" nothing requires more interaction from the manager to the players" Communicating with your teamates in baseball is more important than in other sports which could be added in the mix. If anything baseball is more team involved than most other sports
And bonds is **** good but If he would of never used steroids I bet he never even gets close to this record but who really knows. All I know is bonds is the biggest prick to ever play the game of baseball and no one but sanfransicoians? want to see him break this record. Ty cobb was a complete **** and he will end up with more respect then bonds will ever get.

squeeze play? how is communication important?

manager: (makes hand signals of a squeeze play).

guy at 3rd base: (nods head, saying he knows squeeze is on)

hitter: (nods head, saying he knows squeeze is on)

"the runner goes, the squeeze is on, the hitter bunts it to the pitcher, he throws home and runner is out." where did communication help there? its all about execution. if the hitter bunts it down the 1st or 3rd base line, then the runner might score, but if he hits it any where else, runner is done. i'd like to think that the managers and players know the signs for a squeeze play so really communication is a basic part of the play.

also i'm just curious what makes him such a prick? what has he done besides being accused of steroids that make people outside of the bay area not like him? i actually know the answer but just curious on what others might think. what has he done and say?

not making an excuse for his prickish attitude but does anyone really know why he treats the media like dog shiet? one of the main reasons was obviously he grew up in a baseball family. his father was bobby bonds and his god father was willie mays. he was constantly around them and during that period obviously it was a time of segregation. he witnessed and experienced all the racism that was thrown at willie and his father. he saw how the media treated them and how fans would treat them. it basically burnt a fire in him to hate the media specifically.

Bonds is singled out as if he was the only player to ever do steroids. Pitchers did them along with hitters. No one dare questions how Roger Clemens is still able to pitch so well at his age. Everyone did it. For people to say Bonds leaving baseball would solve the problem, they are idiots.
Evens guys like Griffey and A-Rod, they played in the same era as Bonds. You have no clue what they might have done back then. Rafael Palmeiro was probably considered a saint in baseball and he was doing it all along.

And why does it matter if you think he is an *******? If he was on your team, you wouldn't care as long as he was hitting homeruns. Fools in the NFL are getting arrested for a lot worse things and no one cares.

this guy gets it. you hit the spot right on the money. honestly, let's say your favorite team is the st. louis cardinals and you knew pujols was doing the juice. are you gonna want him off your team? i think not. its all about entertainment, in general. there are some out there who have high moral standards and would kick out pujols off the cardinals but i'd say a huge majority of the fans wouldn't want him off the team.

 

[69420potsmoker 10+ year member]

LOL, cards are my favorite team! I watched pujols since he was in the minor league on the team in the town im in now. If it was revealed that pujols did steroids would I want him off the cards? Maybe only if every player to use steroids was kicked out then I would. Steroids kinda ****ed shit all up for baseball but at the same time it will be alright.

You could make good arguements either way about what sport involves more teamwork but in the end they are called teams for a reason. I just don't agree with saying one sport relies more on the individual more than the other. Especially after playing and watching baseball myself for so long.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

he woulda hit probably hit 50 homeruns in 1994 if it wasn't for the strike and probably again in 1999 if he didn't get hurt. also you know most players don't do anything in the league the first 2-3 seasons anyways. also he didn't become a power hitter until around 1990. your lil stat there is a bit exaggerated. also a disgrace to the game? maybe bonds might be the cream of the crop when it comes to cheating but baseball nowhere near to being clean. for goodness sake, gaylord perry is in the hall of fame and is an admitted cheat. ty cobb was a racist and a womanizer. ted williams had the exact same rep as bonds when he played during his day. he was hated by the media. also people know dam well bud selig knew what was going on and he just turned his cheek. he wanted more homeruns as baseball was getting less and less popular. he didn't do shiet. he didn't do anything until reporters started finding some hard facts about steroids and once these facts were irrefutable, he had to save face. don't say all this disgrace stuff is all his fault. he just so happened to be the best and most talened player to do steroids. he's a product of MLB's ignorance.

George Washington owned slaves, yet we still love him. It's a sign of the times- you can't compare Ted Williams or Ty Cobb to Barry Bonds- it's a completely different era.

You're right though- a lot of the blame falls on the MLB for turning the other way while this was all going on- but look what it did for the game at the time. They had just come out of the strike and needed something to boost them- along came McGwire and Sosa. But that doesn't excuse Barroid for his actions. He is the most talented player to be surrounded with these allegations, and because of who he is, he gets more heat then others- but he doesn't do much to avert that heat- he's a known ******* in the clubhouse, he treats the media like garbage, he danced around admitting to steroids, just like McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, and others.

On the home run thing- it did take him a couple years to develop into a more prevalent power hitter- but the numbers are still alerting- he had only broken 45+ hr's once up until 2000, and did it each of the next 5 years, at the age of 36. Even if you make the argument that he would have broken 45 hr's in both 94 and 99, no one knows.

And you can't say no one does anything the first 2-3 seasons...that's nonsense. Sure, a ton of MLB players take some time to develop- look at David Ortiz, he struggled for years in Minnesota before getting his game together in Boston- but look at A-Rod- his first full season he hit 36 HR's. Vlad's first season, he hit 38. Pujols hit 37.

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

And why does it matter if you think he is an *******? If he was on your team, you wouldn't care as long as he was hitting homeruns. Fools in the NFL are getting arrested for a lot worse things and no one cares.

This is true, and quite sad. It happens because the NFL brings in the dough. People don't care about Shawne Merriman taking steroids, because he brings in ratings. 11 Bengals get arrested? Who cares. Pacman Jones gets arrested 10 times? Who cares.

 

[alphakenny1 10+ year member]

George Washington owned slaves, yet we still love him. It's a sign of the times- you can't compare Ted Williams or Ty Cobb to Barry Bonds- it's a completely different era.

my whole point was just to say that baseball through out the years hasn't been clean at all.

You're right though- a lot of the blame falls on the MLB for turning the other way while this was all going on- but look what it did for the game at the time. They had just come out of the strike and needed something to boost them- along came McGwire and Sosa. But that doesn't excuse Barroid for his actions. He is the most talented player to be surrounded with these allegations, and because of who he is, he gets more heat then others- but he doesn't do much to avert that heat- he's a known ******* in the clubhouse, he treats the media like garbage, he danced around admitting to steroids, just like McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero, and others.

On the home run thing- it did take him a couple years to develop into a more prevalent power hitter- but the numbers are still alerting- he had only broken 45+ hr's once up until 2000, and did it each of the next 5 years, at the age of 36. Even if you make the argument that he would have broken 45 hr's in both 94 and 99, no one knows.

also yes i know the numbers are glaring after 2000 but i was just saying your numbers are a big exaggerated //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. that is all.

like i said, i'm not excusing bonds at all. yes he is the biggest name out of all this. but if you want to blame anyone, its MLB. players have been cheating for generations and its really no different than today, its just more exposure than back then. its well known football players in the 60s and 70s were shooting it up and who knows what baseball players were doing that time too. again my whole point out of all this is people think steroids is the sole reason why he's doing so good. like some guy earlier in this thread said "oh, he takes steroids so he gets stronger so in turn he can hit the ball farther." thats crap right there.

And you can't say no one does anything the first 2-3 seasons...that's nonsense. Sure, a ton of MLB players take some time to develop- look at David Ortiz, he struggled for years in Minnesota before getting his game together in Boston- but look at A-Rod- his first full season he hit 36 HR's. Vlad's first season, he hit 38. Pujols hit 37.

thats a rare breed of players you got right there. i'm just talking off the top of my head but players like miggy, beltran, adrew jones, big papi, didn't do all that well coming out their 1st and 2nd years. again, just pointing out your numbers are a bit skewed.

also i think we all agree, baseball is all f*cked up.