Audioque HDC and its twins at CES

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

Yes they look the same but as has been stated, how many companies used the old 12 spoke basket? A lot and in general all of those drivers looked the same. Look at the Mag D2 and the Fi Q, many people thought they were the same driver when in fact they aren't.

we are just getting mad, because when we first entered the car audio realm, all we saw was the 12 spoke basket, and accepted that as what a subwoofer looks like. so when we finally see something a little different, we get a little ticked off that everyone else just "copied" it. we see the carbon fiber looking cone and think "wtf thats for MY subs!" and things like that. at least thats my opinion.

 

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

we are just getting mad, because when we first entered the car audio realm, all we saw was the 12 spoke basket, and accepted that as what a subwoofer looks like. so when we finally see something a little different, we get a little ticked off that everyone else just "copied" it. we see the carbon fiber looking cone and think "wtf thats for MY subs!" and things like that. at least thats my opinion.

True, I personally don't care, if it helps bring prices down and quality up thats all I care about.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

True, I personally don't care, if it helps bring prices down and quality up thats all I care about.

no doubt. i gotta admit i was a little ticked that they even used the carbon fiber looking cone and stiched surround though. its what made the driver unique looking.

btw, im surprised anyone actually understood that cluster **** of a post i made above.

 

[Immacomputer 10+ year member]

People love to be unique, just like everybody else. It's kind of funny though; people will go out of the way to get what other people don't have, even if it's not as good as something else that's more wide spread and known about.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Thats some knowledge.
I'm very pleased with the AQ.

Indeed, it looks like a sweet sub. I'm sure DJ made sure it was assembled to high standards.

The Konaki is a big and loud sub, but it doesn't do you much good when it falls apart -- a company like AQ knows that and makes sure their product stays together, even if it isn't THE cheapest thing on the block (still a good deal, IMO).

 

[Jeremiah25 10+ year member]

The motor(s) in question are almost exactly dimensionally the same as the 9500G externally. They are taking a good model for SPL as far as top plate height to coil height ratio, suspension compliance, mass, and motor strength and producw a cheaper driver to achieve that -- these "knockoff" motors don't have the level of cooling of the 9500 motor, though, and won't handle as much power, especially long term. The machining that DD does to the motors for cooling isn't cheap, and DD does assemble in the USA so that adds to their cost and tends to keep them together better at high power.
Some note that the knockoffs, like Konaki, have a less massive magnet... yes, but that is so they can *more* accurately copy the level motor strength -- they aren't cutting out as much steel for cooling so less magnet is needed to "copy" the motor strength minus the cooling. Too much motor would make the copies pretty useless for daily applications.

But yah... that is the Cliffs version of how these are DD knock-offs.

The thing is that it isn't even close to the same BL as the DD. I don't know how you got your specs, or what coils you used to "get" them to be the same. My guess is that you tested the DD with coils in parallel, since that is about how far off your numbers are. Regardless in a legitimate test, DD's with D1 copper coils in series have a much higher BL than the Konaki. Hell, the AQ even has higher BL with FW aluminum, much less with a standard copper coil (which raises the BL significantly as I'm sure you know).

 

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

The thing is that it isn't even close to the same BL as the DD. I don't know how you got your specs, or what coils you used to "get" them to be the same. My guess is that you tested the DD with coils in parallel, since that is about how far off your numbers are. Regardless in a legitimate test, DD's with D1 copper coils in series have a much higher BL than the Konaki. Hell, the AQ even has higher BL with FW aluminum, much less with a standard copper coil (which raises the BL significantly as I'm sure you know).

No offense, but I'm pretty sure Jacob knows what he is doing and has a lot of knowledge on speaker design.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

The thing is that it isn't even close to the same BL as the DD. I don't know how you got your specs, or what coils you used to "get" them to be the same. My guess is that you tested the DD with coils in parallel, since that is about how far off your numbers are. Regardless in a legitimate test, DD's with D1 copper coils in series have a much higher BL than the Konaki. Hell, the AQ even has higher BL with FW aluminum, much less with a standard copper coil (which raises the BL significantly as I'm sure you know).

I measured the T/S myself on both the DD 9500 F and G motors (of which I have owned both) and the Konaki and calculated the BL^2 / Re. The Konaki does indeed have a bit less than the 9500G, but a bit more than the 9500F (almost 25% more). If the Konaki used a magnet slug with a smaller ID (like the 9500G does) then it would have exceeded the BL^2 / RE of the 9500G since it has more intact steel in the motor.

With that much BL the Q numbers would be too low to make it useful for anything resembling a good response (more so than it currently is) -- so it would be completely useless since it doesn't even like high powered burps with the stock soft parts.

 

[jag09 10+ year member]

man i want to get an hdc bad from all the good stuff ive heard about them.