thats the problem with forums and the internet in general. it distorts whats happening in the real world. i read us, the internet crowd, only represent a small portion of the audio world. i know i've heard plenty of mainstream stuff that sounds great and would probably make great monster builds if folks were more open minded. and like the one guy say earlier. DB drive is big my way. their gear looks solid also. i know earthquake is popular, hifonics used go make monster subs and amps from the elite and up are good. i saw this morning MA is still redesigning their subs. a lot is happening outside of our little bubble.