Arguing with my cousin about 9/11

[DIPayton 10+ year member]

well I did most of the research off sites given in here... and ehh, I really do not care and it does look like the US is hiding something... maybe I missed the link to prove why they would hide something... that's all I was getting at.

and I do agree, the US government is crooked and only getting worse and they do lie to us (I even mentioned that in my post), but you gotta agree even though you can see obvious errors/lies or things that don;t make sense in what the US's theory, but you can also see errors in every other theory posted...

so I'll take the neg rep points I got from you for asking it, I really am not trying to argue, I just didn't see those things answered clearly in all the links provided in this thread... maybe you can help me find them... I dont know... and even about the dispute that wtc7 was a government scam, I'd be in the same area, I just don't understand the motives behind it...

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

alright, so I had to skip through some posts in this thread, but read a lot..
I will not argue the US government has lied to us before, tried to fool us and all that... but I don't bite the missile theory, but am somewhat curious about it... who knows, maybe I am wrong?

but you gotta answer the questions on the US's intentions and motives behind lying to us...

-why would they lie?

-why would they say plane and pin point an exact airline, hurting the airline's reputation? the airline would have to be involved in the dissapearing airplane and deaths... why would the airline allow this to happen?

-how did the US benefit from the attack? if they US set us up, why? are they benefitting from this?

-where is the plane now? It obviously did vaporize like the US claims it did or else, we'd find the remains somewheres else... there's no plane hiding areas in the US is there?

-How did they chose what exact plane to go missing?

-Timing... The timing of this is like exact... you know what I mean? it happened hours after the other attacks... that means the US planned this right after those attacks? how did an entire government come up with a brilliant scheme in just a few hours/minutes...

-How could they truly hide the truth that effectively? Truth always comes through doesn't it?

I dont care how you look at it the official story that theyre telling us cant be true. The twin towers and wtc7 defied the laws of physics that day.

heres some more info for you guys to check out

scholars for the truth. Professors and scientist from around the country who are after the truth of 911

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

heres a video of wtc7 falling to the ground in 6.2 seconds. Most of you are probably not aware that wtc7 collapsed at 5:30pm on 911. the building had 2 isolated fires on 2 seperate floors and this is what happended to it

http://wtc7.net/videos.html

also just to point out wtc7 is the third steel structure to completly collapse because of fire before or after 911. The first 2 were the twin towers

heres an mit engineer explaining what he thinks happended.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...64959599063248

Dr steven jones a 20 year physics professor stating what he believes happended

http://www.cerebellum.tv/fvideo/BYU.php

this covers the pancake theory.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

heres a link to alot more videos if anyone is interested.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...?showtopic=460

and if anyone here still hasent seen loose change 2nd edition you really should watch it

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...62628848&q=911

 

[Z71999 10+ year member]

love this topic and i wishsomething big would break but i have one question..I watched the loose change 2nd edition and i diddnt really get the explanation WHY we did this? (The gold, foreign countries ect.) Just kind of went straight over my head..Could someone explain it please?

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

they laid out all of the insider trades that went down in the days prior to 9-11. 4 times the regular amount of puts (bets that a stock will fall) were put on american airlines, i believe it was 5 times for boing, and 11 times the normal puts for united.

6 weeks before it happened, the owner of the WTC insured the towers for billions in a policy specifically covering terrorism. after it happened, he claimed it was 2 planes, 2 seperate acts, and wanted double the amount he insured for.

sure a lot of americans have gotten wasted over in iraq and afganistan, but the oil barons are doing better than ever. cheney's "old" company halliburton is doing great. basically, everyone in charging is raking in the dough, and thats apparently all that matters these days.

now noone really can say for sure why it was done, because obviously the government isnt admitting to anything, and likely never will, but its plain to see that the neo-conservative assholes running this country are doing very well for themselves since 9-11. i'd have to look for it, but in bushes 2001 end of year or christmas speech (posted on whitehouse.gov) he says "all in all, its been a wonderful year for laura and i." indeed it was.

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

love this topic and i wishsomething big would break but i have one question..I watched the loose change 2nd edition and i diddnt really get the explanation WHY we did this? (The gold, foreign countries ect.) Just kind of went straight over my head..Could someone explain it please?

The pretext to go to war. They attacked us "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM" so we must bomb everybody that doesent agree with us. I dont know how much you know about the war in iraq but Im pretty sure its not about terrorist in caves.

Bush recently said the war on terror wont end in out lifetime. That scares me.

I dont think we would be at war if 911 wouldnt of happen. And wether we helped or did it all ourselves something is just not right about the events of that day.

To me its all about the towers and wtc7. When you watch it its so obvious that its controlled demolition.

All I want is an independant investigation of what really happended that day.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

love this topic and i wishsomething big would break but i have one question..I watched the loose change 2nd edition and i diddnt really get the explanation WHY we did this? (The gold, foreign countries ect.) Just kind of went straight over my head..Could someone explain it please?

Theres so much we don't even know. What we do know, relating to the gold, for instance, is that there was over 160 billion in gold under the WTC.. Now, if the gov planned to attack the WTC, they could take the gold out ahead of time, and blame not finding gold on the fact it was blown up.

There was only 220 million in gold found, although over 160 billion was stored there. Where did the rest go? If the US planned 9/11, they could have removed all that gold and kept it, and no one could say otherwise, because "it all was vaporized in the fire."

If Bush can attack the WTC and blame terrorists, he can then invade Iraq to "stop terrorism" but what he will really do is setup a Democratic government where the oil trade would be easy.

The US and Saudi Arabia are still dealing in oil, but its getting harder and harder to deal with them, so the US needs a new government where it will be easier to deal w/ (ie-a democratic gov.) Once they get the American people behind them (Bush)invading iraq, they can then take over control of Iraq, and our country wouldnt complain, because it is for "terrorism".

Once Bush shows that there is "terrorism" in iraq, he can invade, and then setup a new government to trade with, so he can make more money.

The scary part is, these world leaders are all apart of an even more secret society - Bohemian Grove...New World Order...where they hope to eventually bring the world under 1 central government.

 

[937DYTBOI 5,000+ posts]

Its a shame at how we are being looked at now all because of the horrible mistakes by our horrible president. He deserves an applause as one of the worst presidents ever. My uncle is actually working over in afgan in a camp helping out feeding and taking care of the camp. He had to go over there to work because theres no jobs here good enough to support his family. Doesnt that sound weird, more jobs at war than at home.

Also about that girl that got freed a couple of days ago, the one that was supposibly kidnapped for like 3 months or something. Whats the deal wit her, there trying to say shes crazy now because shes trying to defend the personal feelings of the people who kidnapped her. They might be some nice people like she said, it jus seems like they were trying to get a point across. But it jus seems weird to me that shes being profiled the way she is.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Also about that girl that got freed a couple of days ago, the one that was supposibly kidnapped for like 3 months or something. Whats the deal wit her, there trying to say shes crazy now because shes trying to defend the personal feelings of the people who kidnapped her. They might be some nice people like she said, it jus seems like they were trying to get a point across. But it jus seems weird to me that shes being profiled the way she is.

They profile people to try to get the public to feel a certain way. The government wants us to think false truths, while slipping us the big one.

Look at how she is portrayed vs. what she actually says.

 

[Luxury_C]

They profile people to try to get the public to feel a certain way. The government wants us to think false truths, while slipping us the big one.
Look at how she is portrayed vs. what she actually says.

Pretty much how they try to get us.

Believe none of what you see.........................

 

[937DYTBOI 5,000+ posts]

They profile people to try to get the public to feel a certain way. The government wants us to think false truths, while slipping us the big one.
Look at how she is portrayed vs. what she actually says.

Yea i wasnt sure if i was the only one whoactually saw it from the other side and not what jus the media was feeding us. Man but they were basically dogging her out because of the way she felt and the way she dressed. In order for her to keep her life she had to dress that way and not to be seen as an American cause they hate our guts they think everyone is like Bush.

 

[937DYTBOI 5,000+ posts]

yea this bush character is really getting on my nerves. And people still call this man a good man. Yea right I still have somemore research and reading i have todo on the theory of WTC and other opposing topics. They need to impeach him for the lying he has been doing. They have recently talked about something like that on CNN, they are like taking on a research of everything he said he was going to do, such as looking for weapons of mass destruction etc.

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

yea this bush character is really getting on my nerves. And people still call this man a good man. Yea right I still have somemore research and reading i have todo on the theory of WTC and other opposing topics. They need to impeach him for the lying he has been doing. They have recently talked about something like that on CNN, they are like taking on a research of everything he said he was going to do, such as looking for weapons of mass destruction etc.

watch this it will make you sick

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm

 

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[btmorris972 10+ year member]

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[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

Anybody ever wondered if the big news corporations such as cnn have any government connections