Arguing with my cousin about 9/11

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

So what6 would be the reason for them to lie to us about a plane hitting the pentagon. Why lie. I mean the last couple of years things jus seem like its just been goin downhill, i truly believe we are heading into another state of depression, Things jus get worse day by day, and our reputation as americans are in a shithole, we really look bad from the outside. I dont know who to blame is it us or our government. What have we accomplished since bush has been in office, have we progress and got stronger? Truthfullly i havent seen much improvement but i seem to see people getting there own pockets fat and not thinking about the big picture, correct me if im wrong but thats my opinion. Differ if you want tbut thats my feelings until i see proof. 9/11 was a terrible disaster and it seems that these Arabs are up to something on the real, where i live they run a lot of corner stores, drive thrus, gas stations, clothing stores, jewelry stores. What do you guys see what there trying to do.

Look at it out of any context. Imagine yourself as an alien from another world looking at our society and what has happened. I say that so you don't think from a point of view that you already have before, a "clean slate" view, if you will.

Bush, and all of his buddies are pretty much in charge. If they were to start a war, or create some sort of conflict, they stand to make incredible amounts of money. Think of Haliburton, and Cheney giving them the contract..Iraq is supposed to pay us back for rebuilding their country, but the contract went to Haliburton, meaning Cheney is getting paid for rebuilding Iraq.

Think of all the insider trading that went on the days before 9/11. There are documents showing destroyed hard drive files of suspicious 100+ million dollar trades going on.. The CIA and many other government affiliated programs were in the WTC. Think of how easy it was to destroy all evidence of past crimes, insider trades, etc, by blowing up the WTC as a whole. I imagine building 7 probably had some very deep dark secrets that no one wanted us to know about, which is why that went down. You realize there was over 100+ BILLION dollars in gold under the WTC? Only 200 million was recovered... That means that there is 99+ billions dollars in gold somewhere.

Think of it like this...if the government could not only steal hundreds of billions of dollars from people with no questions asked, and could then start his own war and do whatever he pleased (patriot act), then why wouldn't he?

War is money, thats all there is to it. You know that movie "Operation: Dreamland" that I was talking about? It follows army soldiers in Iraq, and their own conflicts with why they are there. Honestly, they all either explicitly say that

"war is money" or they acknowledge it. At one point a soldier says "I don't know why we are here, other then to protect oil."

The government wants you to believe them, so you will believe them.. If they get you to believe them, then you will not question them, you won't think for yourself, and most of all, you won't do shit about anything.

Its a good thing for us that Bush is so fukingly retarded that they have screwed up bigtime with 9/11. With the internet, and forums growing intense popularity as time has gone on, the spread of this information about what really happened on 9/11 is growing, and getting more "professional". This movement has continued to grow, even if it did have to start with Michael Moore....fuking ****..anyway..Hopefully enough people will realize how brainwashed we really are, and do something about.

these conspiracies have been around for 5 years now, nothing will happen.
Just as quick as you were to originally believe it was a plane, don't be so quick to now believe it wasnt.

Yeah. These have been around for a while. I remember anyone who believe the old videos were looked at as "crazy, left-winged liberals who wear tin-foil hats", but now that popularity has grown(showing that more people are paying attention to this stuff) I think things could potentially start to take shape, although I doubt anything will happen. However, loss of hope is admitted defeat, so we must continue to spread this knowledge to others who still believe the lies.

The government is poopies.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

*Puts on tin foil hat*

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

another interesting little known fact, is that the owner of the WTC insured the buildings against terrorist attacks less than 2 months before 9/11. very convenient.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

another interesting little known fact, is that the owner of the WTC insured the buildings against terrorist attacks less than 2 months before 9/11. very convenient.

And then tried to get 7 billion out of it.

There was also random scheduled "fire drills" the week before the attacks.

They also removed BOMB SNIFFING DOGS from the WTC's...if that doesn't scream "hey, maybe theyre up to something" I don't know what does.

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

2 weeks before 911 they evacuated Most of the towers to update the network. Its also interesting to note that they completly shut off the power to the towers for 36 hours.

 

[DaGh0st 5,000+ posts]

First off i only read the first post. now with that being said.

I lived in DC when 9/11 happened and i was just across the potomic(err not sure on the spelling) river when it hit. I was in bed watching the news when i heard a loud CRASH then a half a second latter the house shook. i was like WTF so i ran outside to see smoke billing up from across the river. My dad being in the military got most of the info first. it was a plane.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

hat hadent been done since the 30s i believe.

My grandpa used to tell me stories about how he used to ride their high speed elevators up and down for hours back in 41'.

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[jujumantb 10+ year member]

My dad being in the military got most of the info first. it was a plane.

If it was a missile, I'm sure they would tell everyone in the military... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

If the conspiracy is true, only the minimum amount of people possible would know about it, sorry, but not your dad //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[AVSTANG02]

what is this a photoshop?

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

what is this a photoshop?

Look at the pictures before that.

You realize that in order for a plane to have hit the pentagon where it did, it would have had to fly 10 FEET UNDER THE GROUND so the cockpit would land where it did. You realize that the engines are UNDER the cockpit location...Thus meaning that the engines are LOWER than the cockpit, so thus they should have markings showing where they hit LOWER(i.e.-the ground).

 

[DaGh0st 5,000+ posts]

If it was a missile, I'm sure they would tell everyone in the military... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gifIf the conspiracy is true, only the minimum amount of people possible would know about it, sorry, but not your dad //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

and how would you know what my dad knows or doesnt know? were you there? hmmm im guessing not. i was i watched the local news 2 weeks after 9/11 when they were salvageing what was left of the pentagon and when they pulled the plane out. i visted the site there is a memorial wall across the street from it where loved ones hung pictures of ones who died while i was there there was still peices of the plane in the building and for you to tell me that i didnt see it with my own 2 eyes tells me that you will belive anything you hear about a "so called conspericy".

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

and how would you know what my dad knows or doesnt know? were you there? hmmm im guessing not. i was i watched the local news 2 weeks after 9/11 when they were salvageing what was left of the pentagon and when they pulled the plane out. i visted the site there is a memorial wall across the street from it where loved ones hung pictures of ones who died while i was there there was still peices of the plane in the building and for you to tell me that i didnt see it with my own 2 eyes tells me that you will belive anything you hear about a "so called conspericy".

the engines on a 757 weigh 6 tons each. The gov claims these 6 ton engines vaporized because the fire was so hot:crazy:

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

ghost, have you seen the hard, extremely incriminating evidence that suggest it was not a plane? not just about the pentagon, but also what happened to the world trade centers.

these are extremely intelligent people, specialists in their field, all calling bullshit on the official stories. half of them are promptly fired from their jobs for doing so. we're not talking crazies telling UFO abduction stories, we're talking scientists, presenting FACTS.

if any of you haven't seen these videos, i urge you to do so, and to do so with an open mind. then think about what is happening in this world TODAY.

heres some more info for you guys to check out
scholars for the truth. Professors and scientist from around the country who are after the truth of 911

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

heres a video of wtc7 falling to the ground in 6.2 seconds. Most of you are probably not aware that wtc7 collapsed at 5:30pm on 911. the building had 2 isolated fires on 2 seperate floors and this is what happended to it

http://wtc7.net/videos.html

also just to point out wtc7 is the third steel structure to completly collapse because of fire before or after 911. The first 2 were the twin towers

heres an mit engineer explaining what he thinks happended.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

Dr steven jones a 20 year physics professor stating what he believes happended

http://www.cerebellum.tv/fvideo/BYU.php

this covers the pancake theory.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

heres a link to alot more videos if anyone is interested.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=460

ive been doing alot of research since i started this thread.

and if anyone here still hasent seen loose change 2nd edition you really should watch it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=911

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

ghost, have you seen the hard, extremely incriminating evidence that suggest it was not a plane? not just about the pentagon, but also what happened to the world trade centers.
these are extremely intelligent people, specialists in their field, all calling bullshit on the official stories. half of them are promptly fired from their jobs for doing so. we're not talking crazies telling UFO abduction stories, we're talking scientists, presenting FACTS.

if any of you haven't seen these videos, i urge you to do so, and to do so with an open mind. then think about what is happening in this world TODAY.

great post

have I opened your eyes?

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

i never trusted the bush administration from day one, i started hearing some questions about 9/11 being asked immediately but didnt take them seriously until a couple of years ago. i hadnt seen the mit professor or the loose change videos until your post though. that made a lot of things fall into place.

people ask what motivation would the government have to do such a thing? what motivation would all of these highly educated people in high positions have to risk or give up their jobs to question these things?

 

[pd298 10+ year member]

I'm not sure what to believe anymore.