Arguing with my cousin about 9/11

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/bradm/911index/hijacker_pilots.html

ive actually thought about this many times, as i've flown a cessna and an old beechcraft bonanza with an instructor. how does one with no jetliner training pilot a heavy airliner hundreds of miles to the exact target he wanted, when he couldnt even fly a small four seater?

i've always been a bit of a conspiracy theorist anyhow. if you ask me, its the people who believe all the bullshit our government feeds them who are the crazies, not the theorists. why would they lie you ask? this is the united states government dude, enough said.

can anyone offer any evidence besides cnn reports that a plane hit the pentagon?

 
can anyone offer any evidence besides cnn reports that a plane hit the pentagon?
It's not on "our" (I say "our" as those who don't believe the conspiracy theories) shoulders to prove a plane hit the pentagon. It's on the shoulders of the conspiracy theorists to prove one didn't.

For example...where did the plane go? What happened to all the people aboard that plane who never returned back home? When did all of these cover-ups happen with live news coverage from multiple sources going on 24/7, beginning less than an hour after the plane hit the pentagon?

 
My cousin and i were arguing about what actually hit the pentagon, the news and government say it was a plane in which i was to believe myself. But my cousins dad said he saw a clip showing a missle actually hit the pentagon. It does only look like a missle hit it and made the destruction by how much damage was caused compared to the WTC. But why would the government lie about that and say that an American Airlines plane was crashed into the pentagon. From the pics it doesnt seem as if a plane hit it, it just seems that if a plane hit it, it would have caused more damage.
I found this website and looked at most of the links and peoples arguments. Could it be true that the government lied to us, or was what they told us was true.

check this link and give your opinions.

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/bradm/911index/pentagon.html

you should also note that the pentagon is surrounded by 3 steel reinforced concrete walls. Each wall is 3 feet thick.

Now the entrance hole at the pentagon was 16 feet in diameter. the 757 then proceded to go through 3 walls of steel reinforced concrete each being 3 foot thick. Thats 9 feet of steel reinforced concrete. The exit hole after the aircraft punched through 9 feet of steel reinforced concrete just happended to be 16 feet.

If the aircraft could have punched through 9 feet of steel reinforced concrete and left a 16 foot exit hole wheres the plane??

the goverment says the plane vaporized. I find it kinda odd that the engines from the 757 couldnt be found. These engines weighed 6 tons a piece.

theres alot of unanswered questions about 911.

do some further research.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

http://question911.com/

http://www.loosechange911.com/

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=460

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

heres what doctor steven jones a 20 year physics professor thinks happened

http://www.cerebellum.tv/fvideo/BYU.php

mit engineer

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

 
this is a quote from the first link i posted. what happened to the plane and all the people onboard? wouldnt be the first time the government has killed innocent americans, thats all i'll say.

According to FAA radar controllers, ?Flight 77? then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which ?Hanjour? allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn?t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).

The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O?Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, ?The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.?

And then, all of a sudden we have magic. Voila! Hanjour finds the Pentagon sitting squarely in his sights right before him.

But even that wasn?t good enough for this fanatic Muslim kamikaze pilot. You see, he found that his ?missile? was heading towards one of the most densely populated wings of the Pentagon?and one occupied by top military brass, including the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld. Presumably in order to save these men?s lives, he then executes a sweeping 270-degree turn and approaches the building from the opposite direction and aligns himself with the only wing of the Pentagon that was virtually uninhabited due to extensive renovations that were underway (there were some 120 civilians construction workers in that wing who were killed; their work included blast-proofing the outside wall of that wing).

I shan?t get into the aerodynamic impossibility of flying a large commercial jetliner 20 feet above the ground at over 400 MPH. A discussion on ground effect energy, tip vortex compression, downwash sheet reaction, wake turbulence, and jetblast effects are beyond the scope of this article (the 100,000-lb jetblast alone would have blown whole semi-trucks off the roads.)

Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon?s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be almost 20 above the ground! Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried 10-feet deep in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot.

 
I have been inside the Pentagon. I don't believe any of the other people have. If I remember correctly, they have more, better pictures there. Those seem to indicate a plane hit. I was there for a meeting in fall 2005.

 
this is a quote from the first link i posted. what happened to the plane and all the people onboard? wouldnt be the first time the government has killed innocent americans, thats all i'll say.
According to FAA radar controllers, ?Flight 77? then suddenly pops up over Washington DC and executes an incredibly precise diving turn at a rate of 360 degrees/minute while descending at 3,500 ft/min, at the end of which ?Hanjour? allegedly levels out at ground level. Oh, I almost forgot: He also had the presence of mind to turn off the transponder in the middle of this incredibly difficult maneuver (one of his instructors later commented the hapless fellow couldn?t have spelt the word if his life depended on it).

The maneuver was in fact so precisely executed that the air traffic controllers at Dulles refused to believe the blip on their screen was a commercial airliner. Danielle O?Brian, one of the air traffic controllers at Dulles who reported seeing the aircraft at 9:25 said, ?The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane.?

And then, all of a sudden we have magic. Voila! Hanjour finds the Pentagon sitting squarely in his sights right before him.

But even that wasn?t good enough for this fanatic Muslim kamikaze pilot. You see, he found that his ?missile? was heading towards one of the most densely populated wings of the Pentagon?and one occupied by top military brass, including the Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld. Presumably in order to save these men?s lives, he then executes a sweeping 270-degree turn and approaches the building from the opposite direction and aligns himself with the only wing of the Pentagon that was virtually uninhabited due to extensive renovations that were underway (there were some 120 civilians construction workers in that wing who were killed; their work included blast-proofing the outside wall of that wing).

I shan?t get into the aerodynamic impossibility of flying a large commercial jetliner 20 feet above the ground at over 400 MPH. A discussion on ground effect energy, tip vortex compression, downwash sheet reaction, wake turbulence, and jetblast effects are beyond the scope of this article (the 100,000-lb jetblast alone would have blown whole semi-trucks off the roads.)

Let it suffice to say that it is physically impossible to fly a 200,000-lb airliner 20 feet above the ground at 400 MPH.

The author, a pilot and aeronautical engineer, challenges any pilot in the world to do so in any large high-speed aircraft that has a relatively low wing-loading (such as a commercial jet). I.e., to fly the craft at 400 MPH, 20 feet above ground in a flat trajectory over a distance of one mile.

Why the stipulation of 20 feet and a mile? There were several street light poles located up to a mile away from the Pentagon that were snapped-off by the incoming aircraft; this suggests a low, flat trajectory during the final pre-impact approach phase. Further, it is known that the craft impacted the Pentagon?s ground floor. For purposes of reference: If a 757 were placed on the ground on its engine nacelles (I.e., gear retracted as in flight profile), its nose would be almost 20 above the ground! Ergo, for the aircraft to impact the ground floor of the Pentagon, Hanjour would have needed to have flown in with the engines buried 10-feet deep in the Pentagon lawn. Some pilot.

awesome post;)

 
well that explains it all.
xtizzle.

Fixed.
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It's just a bunch of paranoid schizo's coming up with conspiracy theories.

Watch the video. Thats like saying "Our government isn't racist". You are putting your faith in rich white people that like to keep their money.

And you say WE are crazy for believing the government...I mean shit..its not like theyve ever lied to us before.....................

Hopefully this whole movement generates enough press to really do something about this corruption of power.

 
xtizzle.




Watch the video. Thats like saying "Our government isn't racist". You are putting your faith in rich white people that like to keep their money.

And you say WE are crazy for believing the government...I mean shit..its not like theyve ever lied to us before.....................

Hopefully this whole movement generates enough press to really do something about this corruption of power.
these conspiracies have been around for 5 years now, nothing will happen.

Just as quick as you were to originally believe it was a plane, don't be so quick to now believe it wasnt.

 
It's not on "our" (I say "our" as those who don't believe the conspiracy theories) shoulders to prove a plane hit the pentagon. It's on the shoulders of the conspiracy theorists to prove one didn't.
For example...where did the plane go? What happened to all the people aboard that plane who never returned back home? When did all of these cover-ups happen with live news coverage from multiple sources going on 24/7, beginning less than an hour after the plane hit the pentagon?
Ya forgot one thing....Where did the black boxes go?

 
So what6 would be the reason for them to lie to us about a plane hitting the pentagon. Why lie. I mean the last couple of years things jus seem like its just been goin downhill, i truly believe we are heading into another state of depression, Things jus get worse day by day, and our reputation as americans are in a shithole, we really look bad from the outside. I dont know who to blame is it us or our government. What have we accomplished since bush has been in office, have we progress and got stronger? Truthfullly i havent seen much improvement but i seem to see people getting there own pockets fat and not thinking about the big picture, correct me if im wrong but thats my opinion. Differ if you want tbut thats my feelings until i see proof. 9/11 was a terrible disaster and it seems that these Arabs are up to something on the real, where i live they run a lot of corner stores, drive thrus, gas stations, clothing stores, jewelry stores. What do you guys see what there trying to do.

 
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