exactly what i was thinking..theres got to be atleast 100,000 people that go through there daily and thats a lot of eyes //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif
marleyskater420
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The weeks before 9/11 there were strange occurences in the security, which was run by Bush's brother..
There was the removal of bomb-sniffing dogs, entire parts of security shut down for hours, etc.
Crown_amps
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thats right take us on in a debate on the facts not speculation:up2somet:
AcidicDreams
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oh geee... charlie sheen, the worlds truth detector.... it must be an inside job if the great charlie sheen thinks it is....
AcidicDreams
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my favorite anti-government conspiracy argument is that if the government can't handle simple things like evacuations, backround checks, working and stable medicare/medicade/social security etc etc etc then how would they pull off this massive cover-up with no leaks???
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that just shows how the mis info on tv and mainstream radio / newspapers lies to ya man....do you have any idea how many people came out aganist 911?
ever heard of Underwriters Laboratories ? well you should have they make sure things are safe ...they made sure that the twin towers were safe infact.
Here is a letter from a former top enginger from this company...who keep in mind was fired days after writing this....
The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.
Dr. Gayle,
Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.
As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.
There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."
We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.
The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.
However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.
This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.
There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”.
Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.
1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf
Kevin Ryan
Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories
but i guess the person who underwrote the building and also tested the steel used to make this building knows less than you who have not read about this topic.
AcidicDreams
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I don't watch the TV or read the newspaper.... but conspiracy theories just don't pass a basic smell test... neither does this one.... remember the Titanic? it was SUPPOSED to be unsinkable and I'm sure the engineers would have wrote lengthy letter about how it meets standards and blah blah blah.....
in any case if it WAS an inside job we be sitting here speculating over this crap we should be leading a revolution... but it's a BS crap and we are just sitting here on the interwebs blathering away...
ok I'm bored already....
AcidicDreams
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm
In other news I'm contemplating getting into the tin foil hat business, Crown, you can have a free sample as long as you tell everyone how it's blocking those mindcontrol radio wave doo hickies from the satellites that the evil united states has in orbit...
http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm
In other news I'm contemplating getting into the tin foil hat business, Crown, you can have a free sample as long as you tell everyone how it's blocking those mindcontrol radio wave doo hickies from the satellites that the evil united states has in orbit...
Crown_amps
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm
In other news I'm contemplating getting into the tin foil hat business, Crown, you can have a free sample as long as you tell everyone how it's blocking those mindcontrol radio wave doo hickies from the satellites that the evil united states has in orbit...
btw do you know who owns popular mechanics?
Crown_amps
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of course your bored ya read bullshit from hearst publishing...which is not by any means considerd honest by adults.
you do realize the government and other governments have commited acts of terror aganist their own people since the age of nero?
no i bet not..you have no idea what the concept of problem reaction soution is do you?
well im telling ya that the top dog could care less about you or I, how about nero who burned down rome ...blamed it on the christians so he could start killing more of them [ who were becoming a popular group]
or how about hitler who came to power by the people then...burned down the capital building and blamed it on his political enemies ....
or how about when william mckinley blew up the uss maine in pre text for the spanish american war in the havanna habour?
no you don't know any of that do you
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well like the titanic the people at the wheel are nuts! but come on dont compare this building with that piece of shit ...not even in the same ball park at all....ok for one....there is a revoltion going on btw you may not see it since your blind to 911 but we are out there.
that fire in the twin towers lasted a hour per tower....now your telling me that if they tested the steel till it heated to 3000 [ over 48 hours] and the EXTACT same steel didnt melt....bend....or break in any way then why is it a conspriacy that the twin towers did?
the whole plane going it to it thing....? well ya know what a fire that lasted a hour WON"T DO SHIT ....
http://www.infowars.com/articles/world/madrid_towering_inferno.htm
look at the differnce between the two buildings there wtc vs a building in spain...which do you think would fall?
how about this ...a earhtquake hit ...EACH BUILDING before they fell....ya http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/Seismic/WTC_LDEO_KIM.htm
proove me wrong...find evidence that prooves steel would buckle under thoose conditions,,,,,even better go look up what temp fire protected steel will start to melt....i did that and posted it
anyhow you want to open your eyes pm me and i will send you a movie via aim IF your openminded enough to watch it then you should.But of course its all fake so you dont need to know //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
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I jus believe its to any holes in what went wrong, it jus seems like everything went like in favor for the terrorist. But all of the least the pentagon situation is still the most spectacal to me. Shit doesnt add up. If those bombs were planted as stated, that means i had a chance to run up in the WTC to take the large amount of gold stashed in there, maybe not all of it. But why would you even take down security when you know the risk of danger this place has already been in before. Its a lot of info out there but i wasnt there to state a dead on answer on what went on, but im sure we have our beliefs and i know i dont believe much the government says. I need hands on info
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