Well, just like you said, I didn't buy anything direct //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif I almost never buy new, I usually buy off the forums.Their amps were fine, subs were a different story with their soft parts...but why buy from someone who is such a tool why you can buy something just as good from a reputable company with an owner who at least appears to be a good dude? Same reason why I'll never buy anything (direct) from Skar, RD, Atomic, etc...I just don't like the idea of giving those people my money when I can spend it elsewhere.