Any JL fans on here?

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Well, audioholic, Audiolife's right. Look at what happened to Adire here recently when they listed MSRP on their website. People started freaking out..."No way I'm paying that much for a Brahma", "Adire sold out", "Looks like I'm not buying Adire anymore", etc etc. Nobody even knows what the actual "street price" for them will be, but simply because they listed a higher price on their website, people turned against them quite quickly. And I think that was the point Audiolife was trying to get across....once you drop your price, you'll get an aweful backlash if you try to raise them again....ever.

I just buy stuff that costs more than JL, problem solved //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol i know a helllll of alot more about the business side of it than you think. one model isnt what i was talking about. low level lines as a whole say like 4 subs and a 3-4 amp line if not delt with seperately can effect customer perception. example ppi sedona, hifonics american warrior, brutus, and zues lines. people who had bad luck with these associate these with there better lines. the reps and companies will talk about how they want their lines presented to the public. as an example alot of people think all hifonics are junk because they had bad luck with their "economy" models . their real good amps like the "gen xx" series are alot different than the lowwer lines. if you have bad luck with a cheap amp from a company do you think they would spend 45%-100% more for the high lines? alot wont. people will run high level woofers with mediocre amps and try to push their systems like its a premium power amp.....it wasnt designed to be that way. scarey part is the vast majority work in these systems but they take a hit because their failure rate goes up which pisses customers off. from a customer perception stand point it is a real product evaluation problem because noone guides them with an on line sale. they see 1500 watts hifonics for 220 bucks and figure "hell yes, ill use this" to drive 100 lbs of premuim woofers at 1 ohm. the cheaper amps are one ohm stable but the quality of the parts dictate its ability to deliver the goods day in and day out because these amps are pushed harder than they are designed to be. companies like jl have a large enough store base that it makes it really hard for product perception to look bad this way..which is a great thing only thing you really hear about is the product priceing.....on that aspect they are really great due to the fact everyone associated with them makes money and in that reguard make them a wanted line to carry. stores will actually fight over getting the line. its good product that everyones heard of and wants. im not dogging hifonics at all just using them as an example of how their perception gets twisted.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

low level lines as a whole say like 4 subs and a 3-4 amp line if not delt with seperately can effect customer perception.

But that's the problem, customer perception should not be based off of price. Im not saying JL is marketing wrong, obviously they are very successful. But that marketing doesn't lend itself to me as a consumer type, because I have the knowledge of other product with similar performance for less money. I get what you;re saying, JL lowers their prices and people assume lower quality. That doesn't mean me, as an educated consumer, can still justify paying their (imo) inflated prices.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

But that's the problem, customer perception should not be based off of price. Im not saying JL is marketing wrong, obviously they are very successful. But that marketing doesn't lend itself to me as a consumer type, because I have the knowledge of other product with similar performance for less money. I get what you;re saying, JL lowers their prices and people assume lower quality. That doesn't mean me, as an educated consumer, can still justify paying their (imo) inflated prices.

read what you said and read what i said. has nothing to do with education and im NOT picking on you. price is a perception you even stated it as price is an issue. thats what companies strive to do to the point they get so big that they go mass merchant..stores wont carry a product if they cant make alot of money with. if you had 100 dollars in cost on an item you would want to carry a line thar retails with no problems at 200 rather than a company that you have to start off selling at 150 to make the sale. sure u might sell more at 150 but i doubt it would be as profitable as the 200...especially if the 200 dollar item is well thought of.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

read what you said and read what i said. has nothing to do with education and im NOT picking on you. price is a perception you even stated it as price is an issue. thats what companies strive to do to the point they get so big that they go mass merchant..stores wont carry a product if they cant make alot of money with. if you had 100 dollars in cost on an item you would want to carry a line thar retails with no problems at 200 rather than a company that you have to start off selling at 150 to make the sale. sure u might sell more at 150 but i doubt it would be as profitable as the 200...especially if the 200 dollar item is well thought of.

None of which is justification for ME, the consumer, to pay those higher prices.

You are speaking of simple supply and demand. Higher prices = more profit per unit but less sales. Lower prices = less profit per unit but higher sales. *shrug* Like I said earlier, not knowcking JL's business plan, obviously it works. m not disagree'ing with JL's way of doing business. But that doesn't mean their prices are justified to ME.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

lol one way or the other the price effects your preception thats what i was getting at . meaning you took another alternative to get the sound you were looking for....

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

lol one way or the other the price effects your preception thats what i was getting at . meaning you took another alternative to get the sound you were looking for....

Price is always a factor. That was my point to begin with, their's is too high. I am educated enough with their products to seperate my opinions of their performance from their cost. Many people do not have this experience, so they assume more $ means more performance. Consumer perception, even if incorrect, can drive supply and demand. Doesn't make it right. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DDDD 10+ year member]

To all you people telling me to buy other brands, why would i do that. All i see is you telling me to buy them but nothing to stand behind it.

I had a JL Audio 10W7 before I "upgraded" to an Adire Tempest 15". All I can say is the JL product was extremely well built and it was obviously a good sub, but the $150 Tempest killed it in SPL and SQ. I had the 10W7 in a sealed and ported box, both to JL spec, and I couldn't get it to sound good. The only thing I dislike about the Tempest I have now is I can't get another one since Adire discontinued it.

 

[limitkid7 5,000+ posts]

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