Another Reason For Rear Fill...

[DsrtJeeper 10+ year member]

do you realize you are arguing with a brick wall??? LOL!! These guys just don't want to hear it..I have argued until I am blue in the face and CANNOT BREATHE from laughing so hard! They compare LIVE performances and yet continue to dis-regard physics and the fact that sound echos. Studio recordings and LIVE performances are different. Live you hear all the spatial cues as they happen is a very real 3D environment. Some people try to re-create that in the car... now all of a sudden it is a bad thing???? Why, because of the limitations of a Studio? Any Motor vehicle is just too small to get the natural reflective sounds you hear at a concert, so please quit trying to use that excuse. It takes processing to acheive it and rear fill IS NOT (read: shouldn't be) in Stereo. and the volume should NOT be matched to the front, refleced sounds are attenuated until inaudible or otherwise cancelled. said it before...it's better to agree to disagree on this one... some like it, some don't and NO ONE IS RIGHT! Period!!!!

have fun arguing... oh, and Jntar... those are just a few pics of proffesional studios..I am sure I can google and find a hundred more that DO use rear speakers! MOST studios are recording in L/R format because that is what the industry demands! Very few artists wish to exclude themselves from the 99% of people that arent obsessed with the quality, or quantity, of sound eminating from their vehicles. Look where we have come since I first started competeing (locally) in '85... evolution, It happens.

BINGO!!! We have a winner. I had to laugh at the poster who claims that autos have more reflections than a home listening room. I'd give anything for non parallel walls such as a car has. We won't even get into standing waves, wavelengths and corner loading. We talk about accurately reproducing the original event infront of us yet we have subs in the trunk??? I bet many of you can actually sense the locations of your subs if they're crossed over at 80hz. Sub bass frequencies are known to add a fullness to the sound along with spaciousness. All this coming from the rear. Go figure....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[MBrock4u 10+ year member]

Well put. No one is saying that rear fill is better or not. Some like it some don't. The problem around here is, alot of the non rear fill guys like to shove it down our throat, and call eveybody morons for enjoying a little rear fill. It is too laugh!

 

[BlackMaxima 10+ year member]

all i have to say is its personal preference.

some like it and some dont. again personal preference.

In my case i like rear fill and im going to have rear fill, its just not going to amplified

25W from the H/U for rear fill will do just fine.

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

ok 4 pages into reading this thread I was amazed people where still arguing for rear fill... if you like it great, whatever. Just don't go touting how great it is for any other reason than you "think" you like it better. Any other argument you make is flat out wrong.

Music, from CD's and FM radio, only comes in stereo PERIOD. AM radio is MONO! 5.1 in the car makes no sense b/c you really shouldn't use your car as a movie theater and I shudder at the thought of properly tuning 5 separate speakers for music recorded for a 5.1 source...

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

do you realize you are arguing with a brick wall??? LOL!! These guys just don't want to hear it..I have argued until I am blue in the face and CANNOT BREATHE from laughing so hard! They compare LIVE performances and yet continue to dis-regard physics and the fact that sound echos. Studio recordings and LIVE performances are different. Live you hear all the spatial cues as they happen is a very real 3D environment. Some people try to re-create that in the car... now all of a sudden it is a bad thing???? Why, because of the limitations of a Studio? Any Motor vehicle is just too small to get the natural reflective sounds you hear at a concert, so please quit trying to use that excuse. It takes processing to acheive it and rear fill IS NOT (read: shouldn't be) in Stereo. and the volume should NOT be matched to the front, refleced sounds are attenuated until inaudible or otherwise cancelled. said it before...it's better to agree to disagree on this one... some like it, some don't and NO ONE IS RIGHT! Period!!!!

You can't properly "recreate" the surround feel. The source material for "rear fill" ISN'T ON THE CD! You are only pipping the stereo signal to the back of the car and playing it again...

That said if you like it go for it... Just don't try to say it's better or reproducing anything, you just like it better....

and yes, the front stage only people are RIGHT. There is only two channels of information on the CD, therefore rear fill is not the intended by the source and is changing the sound of the recording. Of course I have seen people advocate using deck power for metal because they enjoy the distortion, and who am I to tell them not to enjoy their squared sine waves.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

ok 4 pages into reading this thread I was amazed people where still arguing for rear fill... if you like it great, whatever. Just don't go touting how great it is for any other reason than you "think" you like it better. Any other argument you make is flat out wrong.
Music, from CD's and FM radio, only comes in stereo PERIOD. AM radio is MONO! 5.1 in the car makes no sense b/c you really should use your car as a movie theater and I shudder at the thought of properly tuning 5 separate channels for music recorded for a 5.1 source...

DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNAR!!!

Also, the challenge to sit in my vehicle blind-folded still stands!!!!

nG

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNAR!!!
Also, the challenge to sit in my vehicle blind-folded still stands!!!!

nG

I don't know if I'd want to be anywhere near you blindfolded...

but I'll take my prize now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

Next thing you know you'll have newbs advocating $300 RCA's, saying that too little power will blow your speakers, and that MAX power is an important spec.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

Well put. No one is saying that rear fill is better or not. Some like it some don't. The problem around here is, alot of the non rear fill guys like to shove it down our throat, and call eveybody morons for enjoying a little rear fill. It is too laugh!

And all I have been trying to say is that there is no rear channel in a stereo recording . I have my opinion of dislike for rear fill , where as you have your likes . I can agree to disagree on that part. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[DFW40 10+ year member]

I like to switch the rear output of my HU with the fronts and that way I have rearfill up front and front fill in the back....sounds really awesome with my 13.1 dolby alpine.

 

[///M5 10+ year member]

Even simpler in my book. I don't care about the topic at hand at all. What the problem is are people recommending and commenting on what they should do that haven't heard the other options. If someone who hasn't heard both a good front stage setup and another setup reads the first post and no-retort they will take it as fact, and it is not a fact it is a subjective statement made by someone who hasn't actually compared it with the alternative that has been bashed. This is actually the whole reason that you guys don't see me post here very often. I can't handle all of the internet boner responses to things as they completely piss me off.

If the original poster had said, I just listened to Pink Floyd on my system and a really well setup SQ system and to me I like the rear stage much better. I would have only posted a, "wow" and not commented. Since that wasn't the case it required more.

I find the pushing down the throat comment funny too since that was the original intent of your first post, but you were trying to force that us front stage only people are really missing something. Rather antagonistic and coming from someone who hasn't experienced a well tuned system also uneducated and shouldn't have been done in the first place.

 

[99StangGt 10+ year member]

I dont have rear fill. I tried it once and it was ok. My worry is that the 2 12s in the trunk were screwing up those drivers in the package tray. Just seems like all that sub output would make those drivers screw up.

 

[goodstuff 10+ year member]

I'd gladly take your challange Ng but I live in Massachusetts....actually I really would like to hear a front stage only vehicle....I'd let anybody sit in my car but I don't trust any of you...yeah 99StangGt I ported the arm rest in the back seat so when the seat is up it doesn't blow out the speakers in the rear deck...M5 I really don't care how you THINK my set up sounds....next you'll be telling us how these speakers you SAW were awesome because they LOOKED cool...don't knock it till you try it...

 

[///M5 10+ year member]

I'd gladly take your challange Ng but I live in Massachusetts....actually I really would like to hear a front stage only vehicle....I'd let anybody sit in my car but I don't trust any of you...yeah 99StangGt I ported the arm rest in the back seat so when the seat is up it doesn't blow out the speakers in the rear deck...M5 I really don't care how you THINK my set up sounds....next you'll be telling us how these speakers you SAW were awesome because they LOOKED cool...don't knock it till you try it...

Your welcome to come hear either of mine anytime as well. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I have not read this thread. However, I am sure that I am the first to say this:

Rear fill is a waste of money.

That is all.