Amp for single 12" IA warden

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

HUH?....that make no sense. lemme decipher that...ok, you say avg. at .75 ohms = 2215 watts from 1 saz 2500 at 12.5v? wow....and what was the clamp on the other end of that thing showing? how many amps was it using to make that?...I bet Kicker still kicks it's *** all over and up and down.....Like I said in the beginning, there is no argument.....do you want an amp that uses more current for the same power output OR one that uses less with minimal added distortion??? That is the only true comparison between the two.... 75% efficiency or 60%? How clean and undistorted do you want the signal???

This dude takes "the average" of nominal and actual rise when looking at clamp numbers, so he clearly knows what hes talking about.

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

This dude takes "the average" of nominal and actual rise when looking at clamp numbers, so he clearly knows what hes talking about.

I was just trying to make sense of the stupid shit you posted......you were the one bashing and nuthugging, i am just along for the ride, dip shit.

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

So your saying the kicker at 2 ohm nominal rising to almost 3.6 ohms (which would be a fair comparison, as the sundown clamp was from .5 to .9, which I might add is a very efficient box, as in a daily app, 3 or 4x rise is normal), will put out 2400 watts at 12.5? I will be waiting for a clamp vid starting at 2 ohms nominal and seeing 2400 watts at ~12.5.

It would be a safe assumption. This is the KX series I'm speaking of, so a bit different but: my KX1200.1s strapped to 2ohm was rising to 3.4 would do 2800 at 13.8 dropping to 11.9. Things were monsters, and I didn't have the electrical for them for many many years. Once I did, and stopped dropping voltage I could tell a monstrous gain in power. As I never tested it I only assume it was another 300-400w as there was a noticeable improvement to the ear on every note.

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

I do not have clamp results for kicker sorry, but these are from caco.sundown(2) SAZ 2500s (not strapped)

-.5 nominal rise to .9

-drop to 12.5volts

-4,430 watts total, 2,215 from each amp

the above statement means nothing, i was just trying to be nice to your retarded ass.

2 amps or one?...strapped or not? what was the rise on each individual amp?.....OP did not mention anything about strapped amps and your numbers mean nothing, not a damn thing. Like I said, I pulled a number out of my ***, trying to decipher your statement... since you did not provide info on one amp

 

[Villeza1 10+ year member]

The warden actually come in dual .7 or dual 1.4 coils. And i would get a bigger amp then a 2500. My warden laughed at my dc 2k, just gave it a tickle.

Actually, the warden come in .7, 1.0, 1.4, and 2.0. You have to ask to get the 1.0 and 2.0 coils, otherwise the standard is .7 (D1) or 1.4 (D2).

 

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

I didn't ever bash any company ever. I said the sundown at .5 will outperform the kicker at 2 and I will stand by that. I don't get what was so hard to understand about the clamped numbers posted when it clearly says 2 2500s not strapped. Each seeing .5 to start. Gives total output of both amps as well as individual

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

I didn't ever bash any company ever. I said the sundown at .5 will outperform the kicker at 2 and I will stand by that. I don't get what was so hard to understand about the clamped numbers posted when it clearly says 2 2500s not strapped. Each seeing .5 to start. Gives total output of both amps as well as individual

well, I guess that just means the SAZ is a tad overrated. I was expecting better than 2,215 out of the Sundown at .5..all I could find on the ZX was a bunch of birth sheets showing above rated numbers like this:

 

[btdickey99 5,000+ posts]

the birthsheet for my zx750.1 is 937.... a tad bit underrated haha //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

well, I guess that just means the SAZ is a tad overrated. I was expecting better than 2,215 out of the Sundown at .5..all I could find on the ZX was a bunch of birth sheets showing above rated numbers like this:

Funny thing about those birth sheets are that a resistor is used so there is no rise. The numbers I posted are on the low end, here are some other clamped numbers on the sundown 2500.

Wired @ 1 ohm in Derrick's Explorer :

1690 Watts

21.4 Amps

78.97 Volts

3.69 ohms Actual

Wired @ 0.25 in Derrick's Explorer:

3360 Watts

63 Amps

53 Volts

0.85 ohm actual

Around 14v actual voltage

 

[wickedwitt 10+ year member]

Both of my Kx1200.1s had birth sheets in the high 1400s. My SX900.4 has a birth sheet of 1095. My WX has a birth sheet of 10189. They never leave the warehouse if they don't put up a number higher than their model.

 

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

Both of my Kx1200.1s had birth sheets in the high 1400s. My SX900.4 has a birth sheet of 1095. My WX has a birth sheet of 10189. They never leave the warehouse if they don't put up a number higher than their model.

I agree with your entire statement here. My gripe is how the birth sheet numbers are obtained. 2 ohms of resistance is entirely different than 2 ohms nominal impedance.

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

ok, see now you are just tossing #'s out of your ass, trying to back peddle on the numbers you were tossing earlier...I care not what op decides to do, but they will be informed....lemme guess...Big 3 and a yellowtop up front with a 250a fuse? I bet the SAZ ran cold to the touch too at .25..lol

Like it was said in the beginning, they are 2 different amps. There really is no way to compare the two. The only true comparison to the ZX would be with a RF2500, JBL 2400, Alpine MRX-M240,etc. As far as the SAZ2500, I listed a bunch of amps to compare it to..actually, I think the RF2500Bd is in a league of it's own..lol

 

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

The numbers I just posted are from sundown themselves not a random clamp with god knows what kind of equipment. I can post links to the "official" clamps done by sundown when I get home it's a pain on the phone.

 

[quackhead 10+ year member]

This dude takes "the average" of nominal and actual rise when looking at clamp numbers, so he clearly knows what hes talking about.

well, you set me off here...I am not stupid, the #'s clearly reflect strapped, but the description stated unstrapped...and I'm like, WTH?....why not just post some real single amp numbers at 1 ohm nominal??nobody has that info?...efficiency info at 1ohm?, .5ohm?, .25ohm??

As a non competitor, I don't care to run less than 1 ohm , BUT the ability to do so is a statement of build quality. Just not as important to me anymore as other qualities found in an amplifier. OP has not said if they would be competing, or what type, so you would have to assume they are like the 99% of car audio enthusiasts who do not compete.

 

[Chriszle 10+ year member]

well, you set me off here...I am not stupid, the #'s clearly reflect strapped, but the description stated unstrapped...and I'm like, WTH?....why not just post some real single amp numbers at 1 ohm nominal??nobody has that info?...efficiency info at 1ohm?, .5ohm?, .25ohm??As a non competitor, I don't care to run less than 1 ohm , BUT the ability to do so is a statement of build quality. Just not as important to me anymore as other qualities found in an amplifier. OP has not said if they would be competing, or what type, so you would have to assume they are like the 99% of car audio enthusiasts who do not compete.

Says the guy spouting off personal insults through the entire thread. Here's your link posted by Jacob the owner of Sundown showing their clamp results. SAZ-2500D Pre-Sale OPEN * ETA is End of July 2010 * - Car Audio Classifieds. I've seen enough other clamps to know that it really depends on the accuracy of the equipment being used to run the test. I posted the lowest clamp that I saw, which happened to be 2 sundown 2500s not strapped, but gain matched as to not damage the subs coils. Strapping or not strapping amps has nothing to do with anything other than the impedance is shared between the amps, as well as the rise they each see. I do not have any efficiency numbers to show.