supa_c
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Eclipse cuz its better. J/K
Are you buying it for you or someone else? Which one do you like better, thats the one you should buy. No offense to you personally but I really hate threads like this. I notice by your 2 posts that you are new here.
I'll let you off the hook this time but dont keep posting crap like that (oh man, i dont know what I should buy....) or else you will end up on the 'Idiot List' (yes its real) If you are looking for right answers then ask the right kind of questions.
For example, " I am considering purchasing one of two headunits, Brand X Model 1 and Brand Y Model 3, I already know that they have these X features, I already know all their specifications, and whether or not they are compatible with my existing equipment. I have read the reviews and searched the forum for other posts related to these two units, so in essence I have nothing to ask really, since I already know what I am going to buy."
Do your research, read the reviews, make your own decision. I didnt buy my gear based on what someone else told me to buy. I spent 4 months researching and planning, building the system that I wanted to do. Am I happy with it, YES! Do I care what people think about it? NO!
Be original.
Good luck.
I'll let you off the hook this time but dont keep posting crap like that (oh man, i dont know what I should buy....) or else you will end up on the 'Idiot List' (yes its real) If you are looking for right answers then ask the right kind of questions.
For example, " I am considering purchasing one of two headunits, Brand X Model 1 and Brand Y Model 3, I already know that they have these X features, I already know all their specifications, and whether or not they are compatible with my existing equipment. I have read the reviews and searched the forum for other posts related to these two units, so in essence I have nothing to ask really, since I already know what I am going to buy."
Do your research, read the reviews, make your own decision. I didnt buy my gear based on what someone else told me to buy. I spent 4 months researching and planning, building the system that I wanted to do. Am I happy with it, YES! Do I care what people think about it? NO!
Be original.
Good luck.
imo u cant go wrong either way but i have HEARD that the eclipse 8454 is a better hu
- Thread Starter
- #5
EFFENDI I am hot asking you what one you like. I made this thread in hopes of a alpine fan and an eclipse fan would get in some kind of debate and in this case certain aspects would be pointed out for each deck. I then would come to my own conclusions on what one I will buy.
I am like you in doing research in each audio product I buy. I can assure you that not one of my car or home audio components was bought because I thought that someone liked it or told me that I should get it without any logic behind there reasoning.
the eclipse cd8454 came out just recently I did look around for some reviews but I did not find much out there So I decided post a thread in this forum because I figured that this might be one way of research. Instead of helping me out you threaten to put me on the "idiot list". I live in a town of a population of about 30,000 there is one car audio shop that is full of dumb *****(no help there). I also called the closest shop that sells eclipse (50mi away and a large phone bill with not much help).
As you can see the title of my thread reads: alpine cda-9835 vs . eclipse cd8454 not alpine cda-9835 or . eclipse cd8454. Like I said before I am not interested in what you or any one else thinks about the deck but if they can list some advantages one has over the other EX: i-personalize vs. e-iserve then I would be thankful.
Jackson
I am like you in doing research in each audio product I buy. I can assure you that not one of my car or home audio components was bought because I thought that someone liked it or told me that I should get it without any logic behind there reasoning.
the eclipse cd8454 came out just recently I did look around for some reviews but I did not find much out there So I decided post a thread in this forum because I figured that this might be one way of research. Instead of helping me out you threaten to put me on the "idiot list". I live in a town of a population of about 30,000 there is one car audio shop that is full of dumb *****(no help there). I also called the closest shop that sells eclipse (50mi away and a large phone bill with not much help).
As you can see the title of my thread reads: alpine cda-9835 vs . eclipse cd8454 not alpine cda-9835 or . eclipse cd8454. Like I said before I am not interested in what you or any one else thinks about the deck but if they can list some advantages one has over the other EX: i-personalize vs. e-iserve then I would be thankful.
Jackson
3.5Max6spd
10+ year member
yo mama no wear no draws
Eclipse fan here.....aside from the fact that the Eclipse doubles it in voltage 8v to 4v allowing you to set your gains on your amps lower (meaning less distotion)-the Eclipse has 55ohm low impedance in its outputs- no other HU's out there can compete in this category- when people reffer to it sounding cleaner, more musical -its due to these factors
the 8454 also gets you memory stick to hold MP3's and you can taylor/download your system settings onto it as well- IMO best HU money can buy
the 8454 also gets you memory stick to hold MP3's and you can taylor/download your system settings onto it as well- IMO best HU money can buy
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- #7
Thank you.
Jackson
Jackson
If you dont care what people think then why ask? I am really confused by your response. You are contradicting yourself and what you are saying by contuing this charade. The only reason I care so much is that I just dont want to see another newbie end up on the list by asking dumb questions. In no way am I trying to threaten you, you got way to easily scared. I am just making light of something that you should do your best to avoid if you wish to be helped at all in this forum. Different members have different perspectives that I do, but I think that there is no substitute for educating yourself. From what you have posted so far, you are not capable of making decisions by yourself...maybe your parents didnt do a good enough job......by all means dont let me stop you but please take to heart what I am trying to teach you here.
What everyone would post to this thread are thinigs you should already know. like what 3.5MaxSpeed posted. If you have technical questions about the products then did you ever think about emailing the technical department of the manufacturer? Thats what I do, and more often than not the information they provide is more than enough to make a comparo. Do you think they would know anything about the various features? Do you think that with that knowledge you would be able to make comprehensive comparisons based on your own research?
bottom line,
You are not doing the RIGHT KIND of research by asking people to compare them for you. All that will end up in is people fighting and flaming over which one THEY think is better. Sparking that kind of debate tears forums apart, creates tension and ruins the reputation of many members. More important, you will walk away with nothing gained except sparking a pointless comparison that you could have made your own judgements on, based on your own information, opinion, and proper research. Don't you think that what you like better is more important than what someone else tells you is? You said so yourself that that is what you believe to be true, so why waste the time. Im sorry for making an example of you, and I apologize for picking on you if that is how you feel. I really just want to welcome you to this community and I hope that you learn a lot. Just be smart. I agree with you that most of them (shops) are retarded salesman that just want your money. But it takes a little more work than just calling the local shop....
In all honesty both of those units are excellent.
What everyone would post to this thread are thinigs you should already know. like what 3.5MaxSpeed posted. If you have technical questions about the products then did you ever think about emailing the technical department of the manufacturer? Thats what I do, and more often than not the information they provide is more than enough to make a comparo. Do you think they would know anything about the various features? Do you think that with that knowledge you would be able to make comprehensive comparisons based on your own research?
bottom line,
You are not doing the RIGHT KIND of research by asking people to compare them for you. All that will end up in is people fighting and flaming over which one THEY think is better. Sparking that kind of debate tears forums apart, creates tension and ruins the reputation of many members. More important, you will walk away with nothing gained except sparking a pointless comparison that you could have made your own judgements on, based on your own information, opinion, and proper research. Don't you think that what you like better is more important than what someone else tells you is? You said so yourself that that is what you believe to be true, so why waste the time. Im sorry for making an example of you, and I apologize for picking on you if that is how you feel. I really just want to welcome you to this community and I hope that you learn a lot. Just be smart. I agree with you that most of them (shops) are retarded salesman that just want your money. But it takes a little more work than just calling the local shop....
In all honesty both of those units are excellent.
- Thread Starter
- #9
There are certain aspects of these decks that cannot be fully understood by just reading the specs for each one EX: alpine's (i-personalize) and eclipse's (E-iserv) are both online "tuning systems". I called both eclipse and alpine to ask them about each of there "systems". They sound like the same thing. One has to be better than the other (eclipse I think but not sure). Now if someone where to state some facts on each set up then it would be more like an objective statement not what they think.
I agree 100% and that is exactly what I am trying to do here. I feel as though I am well educated on the topic but not to the extent of others in the forum. Have you ever gone into a car audio shop and played like a dumb *** to test the salesmen knowledge and based on his responses you will decide on weather or not you trust him? That is kinda what I am doing here. If someone is like "I have an alpine deck and it is sick!" and you look at his sig and he has listed: alpine deck, pyle subs, napa amp (1000 watts), napa mids, tweets from my boom box. and a quote"best stereo ever" are you going to trust him? On the other hand if someone posts:
see now that is an objective comment that could help me out in gathering and understanding what specs will have the most importance to me. I thought that was part of the point of these forums. To help people out weather noob or not.
Yes I actually already knew what 3.5MaxSpeed posted and instead of email I called and each company was helpful but what about reliability or dishonesty in there specs ex: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5712232292 400w rms right. each company was unable to compare the "internet tuning systems" looked on both sites an did not find much on each system so I thought that this might be a good place to get some advice on it
Why is that not the right kind of research? You really think that by getting in a little debate there is a chance that it will tear the forum apart. People join and view these things to learn and if someone got in a little debate it would be a good way to post a lot of useful info.
If someone is knowledgeable with these decks and is willing to give me an objective comparison I don't see the harm in that.
Jackson
bri487
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one says alpine, the other says eclipse. generally the alpines will have more options, but i believe these both have time alignment, adjustable tilting faces, i dont know about the alpine, but the eclipse has a vacuum display, play mp3s the eclipse has a memory stick that you can fine tune your settings with. basically they do the same thing and you can make them sound pretty close to each other. you just have to consider what options are more important to you.
3.5Max6spd
10+ year member
yo mama no wear no draws
jackson....also keep in mind that supposedly Alpines sub outputs dont put out no where near 4v....I've heard this numerous times across various forums
I take it to heart when a member can take my advice- I too wish the internet and other perspectives were available when i got into this game 10yrs ago- it would've saved me a lot of money on the long run, knowing what things to look for other than cosmetics or the obvious- There is no doubt in my mind that the 8454 is in the top as far audiophile grade HU's, its going to be discussed 5-10yrs from now on these here forums what a great deck it was by the people that were able to experience it- you can built ANY system with it and never worry about it being your weak link
My annoyance with Alpine (although I still believe they are great decks) is that they have a gazilion 4v models across a pretty pricey range- having owned a few low line decks and one 9 series, (strait out of the box) only thing that separates them are cosmetics and bell and whistles-I could not tell the difference between them- but when I installed my 8v Eclipse, the second I inserted my first CD and piled on the volume without adjust anything and the EQ off it literally destroyed the perception I had of good quality sound- mind you that I was in a situation in which my dealer allowed me to plug in the HU, without a commitment to purchase- thank god for that opportunity, because I would be just like every other close minded person that thinks that anything over 4v doesn't create an audible difference in your system.
Eclipse has one 8v model, one 5v model, the rest are 2.8's- so you know what you are getting
I also encourage you to attempt to get together with some people and visit a few shops, I know my dealer was generous enough to get a few of his customers to swing through when I had a particular need to audition something
I hope you take my advice and others as well and come to a conclusion in which YOU are content that your $$$ went into the best that your $$$ could get you.
Good luck
Manny
I take it to heart when a member can take my advice- I too wish the internet and other perspectives were available when i got into this game 10yrs ago- it would've saved me a lot of money on the long run, knowing what things to look for other than cosmetics or the obvious- There is no doubt in my mind that the 8454 is in the top as far audiophile grade HU's, its going to be discussed 5-10yrs from now on these here forums what a great deck it was by the people that were able to experience it- you can built ANY system with it and never worry about it being your weak link
My annoyance with Alpine (although I still believe they are great decks) is that they have a gazilion 4v models across a pretty pricey range- having owned a few low line decks and one 9 series, (strait out of the box) only thing that separates them are cosmetics and bell and whistles-I could not tell the difference between them- but when I installed my 8v Eclipse, the second I inserted my first CD and piled on the volume without adjust anything and the EQ off it literally destroyed the perception I had of good quality sound- mind you that I was in a situation in which my dealer allowed me to plug in the HU, without a commitment to purchase- thank god for that opportunity, because I would be just like every other close minded person that thinks that anything over 4v doesn't create an audible difference in your system.
Eclipse has one 8v model, one 5v model, the rest are 2.8's- so you know what you are getting
I also encourage you to attempt to get together with some people and visit a few shops, I know my dealer was generous enough to get a few of his customers to swing through when I had a particular need to audition something
I hope you take my advice and others as well and come to a conclusion in which YOU are content that your $$$ went into the best that your $$$ could get you.
Good luck
Manny
Yeah I understand what you are saying Jackson, you take it easy and I will too. I just hate seeing new members post threads like this. Listen to what both I and 3.5MaxSpeed are saying though... take our advice and come to a conclusion that YOU are happy with. You dont need us to decide for you. If both of the i-personalize, e-iserve etc. whatnot, are the same, than you can eliminate that as a deciding factor in your purchase. if they both do the same thing, then you need to move on to the next factor such as price, styling, etc.
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- #13
Thank you 3.5Max6spd.
EFFENDI, I AM trying to come to a conclusion for myself. You see I look at a post like 3.5Max6spd's as a spec in the spec sheet of my mind. When I feel as though I have collected enough specs to swing my vote then that will be the day I buy a deck.
As I am collecting these "specs I am also doing my own research as well and I found out today that the i-personalize is not as good as the eclipse's E-iserv. The cd8545 comes with a Mic. that you plug into the deck and it also has a pink noise generator. So after you record the pink noise you send it to eclipse and you can adjust your xover and eqs online then upload this onto your deck. I guess the alpine system is like a recommendation based on the type of car you have like hatch or truck etc. One more "spec"
I don't want you to decide for me I just figured that if I could get some "inside info" ex:
That is the kind of info that I am looking for.
I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DECIDE FOR ME!
Look if you want to think that is my only goal (someone to pick out my deck for me) then go ahead and think that but I can assure you that is not my intension at all.
Jackson
EFFENDI, I AM trying to come to a conclusion for myself. You see I look at a post like 3.5Max6spd's as a spec in the spec sheet of my mind. When I feel as though I have collected enough specs to swing my vote then that will be the day I buy a deck.
As I am collecting these "specs I am also doing my own research as well and I found out today that the i-personalize is not as good as the eclipse's E-iserv. The cd8545 comes with a Mic. that you plug into the deck and it also has a pink noise generator. So after you record the pink noise you send it to eclipse and you can adjust your xover and eqs online then upload this onto your deck. I guess the alpine system is like a recommendation based on the type of car you have like hatch or truck etc. One more "spec"
I don't want you to decide for me I just figured that if I could get some "inside info" ex:
then I could gain more "Specs" that are not on alpine's or eclipse's web site or acquired from an email from them. With the gain of these"specs I might be able to cut down on my research so it decent take 4 MONTHS. Efficiency get it?
That is the kind of info that I am looking for.
I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO DECIDE FOR ME!
Look if you want to think that is my only goal (someone to pick out my deck for me) then go ahead and think that but I can assure you that is not my intension at all.
Jackson
Randy Savage
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Pick the cheapest. Take the extra money and spend it on external processing that will put the deck's processing to shame //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
okay man go nuts with your specs....you obviously are missing the message im trying to get across here but thats ok. you can still do efficient research, im not trying to make work for you or extend the process, quite the opposite in fact. just know where to go to get your research from and it will go quickly. I provided you with some examples.....
please take the advice everyone and especially I have given you and continue your quest....on your own.
Have you heard of http://www.google.com?????
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