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If i didnt get that i would build my own. Is there any difference from that box and a box that was built from me if the boxes had the same specs.
dalucifer
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box is tuned pretty high..i say build ur own
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c i was gonna build a 3.0@35 but i dont have a saw. So i was gonna buy 1. and i figured since it aint as big as the 1 i would build it being tuned higher would make up for the size talking in spl. I think the ebay box came out at 2.69 cubic ft. Ppl said the 12" l7s start to shine at 35hz and start losing sq at about 38 and im looking for prolley 85% spl 15% sq so it works. PPl told me not to buy of ebay but i dont now why.
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soul05
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build your own
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Why?
Hahaha, it's fine.
I got a prefab for my type-x's, it was exactly what everyone one the boards said works best for the x's, 2.0cf @30hz, exactly what i wanted. It even had an awesome inlaid face, so the subs were actually flush with the face of the box.
The boxes for 12" L7's on ebay look fine, it's the fact that they use the exact same box for 12's and 15's that suspect, the just cut a bigger hole, and then box box ends up being tuned waaay high after you factor in the bigger speaker displacement. I'd say get it if that's what you wanted to begin with.
And honestly, don't worry about everyone telling you to tune low, i went from my 12" type x's tuned to 30hz to my dual 15" L7's tuned at 42hz, and you gotta keep in mind, 42hz is still **** low, i haven't found more than a few songs that really sound much different on the two boxes, other than the fact that the 42hz box sound a lot better for rock music, since the higher tuning accentuates the frequencies of the beat, rather than crazy low synthetic bass.
And i honest to god haven't had too much trouble with regards to transient response, either. My 15's, even when tuned high as hell, by sq-nut standards, keeps perfect time alignment with even quick bass changes in songs like 'what you know' by T.I. and the crazy drum line in 'aenema' by tool.
My roomate has an older 12" L5 tuned @ 38hz, and my 15's tuned @ 42hz have way better transient response and time alignment than his speakers, the 2006 model kickers really have made progress as far as sound quality, but they need a bit more power to get loud than the old models did, on the same coin. I think it also has to do with the fact that my roomate has no idea what a subsonic filter is or what it's for, and i'm pretty sure his amp doesn't even have one. But what i'm trying to say, it the speakers sound waaay better than i thought they would, and even what i 'knew' they would, after owning a 2002 model L7 back in the day. I was really pleasantly suprised by the time-alignment and punchiness of the 42hz box, after how much bashing high-tuned boxes get on these boards. I think proper enclosure size, and ssf/gain/crossover settings have more to do with the quality of results.
Just make sure you know how to tune your system correctly, set the proper gains, don't get crazy with the bass boost, especially with the natural exaggeration around 40hz with that box, and set your ssf correctly, and you'll be happy. Also, even though L7's love to try and extend above and beyond the normal high-end frequency barrier of subwoofers, make sure you cut them off at 80hz or lower, and use your midrange speaks to play from there up, upgrade them if you have to. But a lot of times people have trouble with 'sloppy' sounding gear is when they expect their subwoofer to transition from a 120hz bass-guitar line and still play an underlying beat, or play the notes of tom drums, while still wailing a funky 50hz groove. The lower you set your gains, the less layering the speakers will have to deal with, and the cleaner and more accurate they'll be able to play what they're designed to play, SUB bass.
Anyways, long story short, if the box is what you were looking for anyways, and it's absolutely not a comprimise, grab it if it's a deal.
I got a prefab for my type-x's, it was exactly what everyone one the boards said works best for the x's, 2.0cf @30hz, exactly what i wanted. It even had an awesome inlaid face, so the subs were actually flush with the face of the box.
The boxes for 12" L7's on ebay look fine, it's the fact that they use the exact same box for 12's and 15's that suspect, the just cut a bigger hole, and then box box ends up being tuned waaay high after you factor in the bigger speaker displacement. I'd say get it if that's what you wanted to begin with.
And honestly, don't worry about everyone telling you to tune low, i went from my 12" type x's tuned to 30hz to my dual 15" L7's tuned at 42hz, and you gotta keep in mind, 42hz is still **** low, i haven't found more than a few songs that really sound much different on the two boxes, other than the fact that the 42hz box sound a lot better for rock music, since the higher tuning accentuates the frequencies of the beat, rather than crazy low synthetic bass.
And i honest to god haven't had too much trouble with regards to transient response, either. My 15's, even when tuned high as hell, by sq-nut standards, keeps perfect time alignment with even quick bass changes in songs like 'what you know' by T.I. and the crazy drum line in 'aenema' by tool.
My roomate has an older 12" L5 tuned @ 38hz, and my 15's tuned @ 42hz have way better transient response and time alignment than his speakers, the 2006 model kickers really have made progress as far as sound quality, but they need a bit more power to get loud than the old models did, on the same coin. I think it also has to do with the fact that my roomate has no idea what a subsonic filter is or what it's for, and i'm pretty sure his amp doesn't even have one. But what i'm trying to say, it the speakers sound waaay better than i thought they would, and even what i 'knew' they would, after owning a 2002 model L7 back in the day. I was really pleasantly suprised by the time-alignment and punchiness of the 42hz box, after how much bashing high-tuned boxes get on these boards. I think proper enclosure size, and ssf/gain/crossover settings have more to do with the quality of results.
Just make sure you know how to tune your system correctly, set the proper gains, don't get crazy with the bass boost, especially with the natural exaggeration around 40hz with that box, and set your ssf correctly, and you'll be happy. Also, even though L7's love to try and extend above and beyond the normal high-end frequency barrier of subwoofers, make sure you cut them off at 80hz or lower, and use your midrange speaks to play from there up, upgrade them if you have to. But a lot of times people have trouble with 'sloppy' sounding gear is when they expect their subwoofer to transition from a 120hz bass-guitar line and still play an underlying beat, or play the notes of tom drums, while still wailing a funky 50hz groove. The lower you set your gains, the less layering the speakers will have to deal with, and the cleaner and more accurate they'll be able to play what they're designed to play, SUB bass.
Anyways, long story short, if the box is what you were looking for anyways, and it's absolutely not a comprimise, grab it if it's a deal.
If it is exactly what you want in size and tuning and its 3/4" MDF go for it, If the size or tuning is off or the ebay seller uses particle board dont waste your money. As you said tuning and size were off dont waste your money because tuning higher doesnt make up for size of box, more power makes up for a smaller box(in some cases)
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Is that box to small for a 06 12" l7?
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I no wut kicker recomends. But is there recomindations be4 the port is added or after?
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im getting a dei 1100d for amp
I found that when purchasing almost any box online they dont take in consideration the displacement of volume for the port material which can
be up to .08 cu. and also consider the displacement of your sub which can be
anywhere from .07 to .12 depending on the sub (you should be able to get that number from the manufacturer)but that could be a total of .20 which can throw the tuning of the port off.
be up to .08 cu. and also consider the displacement of your sub which can be
anywhere from .07 to .12 depending on the sub (you should be able to get that number from the manufacturer)but that could be a total of .20 which can throw the tuning of the port off.
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im not really woried but the tuning im more worried but the size!
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