again, no real interest, please dont respond to this thread. otherwise, i will respond to every thread you make in the future and simply tell you how much cheaper i can get your product for. i see people sell things on here constantly, from product manufacturers who dont sell online, so people have no idea of wholesale cost other than dealers. then you guys see a sub for $75 that the seller actually paid $25 for, and the end user would pay $25 for it, if only a middle man were allowed to sell it online. people think theyre getting a great deal, blah blah blah, i know what they paid, but i sure as hell dont get on their thread and say it. so please, leave it alone. but, for what its worth, im not making any money on these as a dealer. if i continue to sell them locally, i make it worth my time, and customers still get a good deal for a 12 inch sub that has the same power handling as a type-e, for way less money than retail cost on one of those subs.